OK - wat the f@ck is going on??

**The Stranger:Me** · 15th December 2006, 10:06

Originally Posted by Blondini

What ixion said

I joined the site to find a rider to take me pillion ,thats all end of story.Now couple of months down the track I have my own bike and I love it ,don't get me wrong,But I am being told"you ride a motorbike now you must go faster"CRICKEY I think motorbikes are seriously dangerous and the faster I go the more damage to me STUFF the bike sorry but seriously You can always get another bike...people well ....

I am told yes you will come off,Well scuse me But I do not want to fall off I want to be able to go at a speed that is legal but within my limits .At speedway they are taught to lay down their bikes in event of a "spill"If I am going to come off then this is something i would be keen on learning.Thats just my thoughts,there is more...always is

And the people I am meeting ,they are the most decent bunch of caring people I have met and I have met a lot of people in my life.This site is addictive I am sure spank me has put something in there.

So, who is telling you to go faster?
Name and shame!

As for laying your bike down - don't do it - why crash to avoid a crash? Stay on the bike to the bitter end. Emergency brake and or look for an out. You run out of options when you bail.

**McJim** · 15th December 2006, 10:12

Most of the riders I've met and ridden with on KB have always said "Ride within your ability" and for the most part I do this. The only people I've heard mentioning speed being the be all and end all are generally much younger blokes generally on CBR250RR, RS250, NSR250, ZXR250 type bikes who often pipe up "WTF? Going fast is the POINT of a motorcycle"

I'm quite sedate on the road - I suspect I could be one of the Novice Grannys refered to by Ixion.

I don't feel there is an awful lot of pressure to go too fast but then if I do feel this pressure I'll peel off from the ride and do my own pace anyway.

**Ixion** · 15th December 2006, 10:25

Originally Posted by CaN

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For a start, the site. I really don't see how this site bares any responsibility. The members perhaps, but I feel the distinction should be drawn so as not to (mistakenly in my view) cast aspersion on those responsible for the provision and administration.

Yes. I ought to clarify that . By "site" I mean the environment, not the infrastructure. Like saying "the school" when one really means the pupils, teachers, parents, not the school building or Department of Education.

The site also has VERY MANY positive aspects. Where else would people turn to for training and assistance with technical issues and maintenence etc, all of which this site (the members) does provide.

To be sure. That is why I spend so much time here

Sure the good (read fast and/or stunt etc) riders are held in high regard. They are inspirational, they can take your breath away as you watch in awe. They always will be. Is it that bad to want to emulate your heros?

I also have great admiration for such skills. And I can well understand people (young ones in particular) wanting to emulate them

And I think this an admirable thing ON THE TRACK But the public road is not the place for such things (I don't mean "fast" as in maybe breaking some speed limit , but "fast" as in dangerous, nothing left in reserve").

I see no problem with anyone aspiring to be a quick rider, on who gets rapidly over the ground. But the dynamics of riding on the road are quite different to the track. And I do have problems when people want to ride on the road as they would on a race track.

**crazybigal** · 15th December 2006, 10:34

if your going to pull threads at least tell the person who started it not just pull it cos someone didnt like it! were will it all end? were is the line? who has too much power?

Originally Posted by Joni

Yes!

I have received a few pms etc about this: the request was not made to me, and I did not action it.... so all I can say is it is being worked on as we speak.

**Joni** · 15th December 2006, 10:36

Originally Posted by crazybigal

if your going to pull threads at least tell the person who started it not just pull it cos someone didnt like it! were will it all end? were is the line? who has too much power?

Umm, if you read my post. I did not pull it...

And secondly I spoke with Lou the day the thread started and told him we would see how it goes...

So what is your point?

**crazybigal** · 15th December 2006, 10:46

sorry i wasnt pointing the finger at you. and i never said you pulled it.
I had a thread pulled for no real reason, now i dont care but a simple pm sayn we have pulled your thread for such and such a reason would have been nice?

Originally Posted by Joni

Umm, if you read my post. I did not pull it...

And secondly I spoke with Lou the day the thread started and told him we would see how it goes...

So what is your point?

**Joni** · 15th December 2006, 10:48

Originally Posted by crazybigal

sorry i wasnt pointing the finger at you. and i never said you pulled it.
I had a thread pulled for no real reason, now i dont care but a simple pm sayn we have pulled your thread for such and such a reason would have been nice?

So post in the "got a problem" thread.... if you have an issue, it does not help bitching after the fact, find an answer when the problem arises...

**crazybigal** · 15th December 2006, 10:58

isnt this tread about having threads pulled? or did i miss something?
so there is no protocol to follow? just pull em? or are mods ment to pm people? jast asking and dont bite my head off joni!

Originally Posted by Joni

So post in the "got a problem" thread.... if you have an issue, it does not help bitching after the fact, find an answer when the problem arises...

**The Stranger:Me** · 15th December 2006, 11:02

Originally Posted by Ixion

And I think this an admirable thing ON THE TRACK But the public road is not the place for such things (I don't mean "fast" as in maybe breaking some speed limit , but "fast" as in dangerous, nothing left in reserve").

I see no problem with anyone aspiring to be a quick rider, on who gets rapidly over the ground. But the dynamics of riding on the road are quite different to the track. And I do have problems when people want to ride on the road as they would on a race track.

Cool. I am in complete agreement. Not that you need my agreement of course. But moving right along.

How do you deal with an errant rider?

Some of these guys are capable of withstanding immense pressure to slow down, ride within their capabilities and not endanger others. Many example of this abound on this site.

**Babelfish** · 15th December 2006, 11:19

Hi, I've been watching the thread as a KB noob and would like to add another noobs take on the situation. TBH, its a bit enlightening to see all of the views and I can see the benefit of a little steam being let off current pressures accepted.

However, due to the thread being pulled that discussed the situations surrounding the recent crashes, added to the amount of attention a fatality recieves, I'm left to allow my imagination to reconstruct events. This is only natural, esp for a biker as the analysis and understanding of the miriad of variables applied to riding is an inherent characteristic of most riders I've met. The problem however is that imagination can be worse than reality, where actuals, tastefully presented, can provide some level of corrective thought and perhaps closure.

I'm not anti-mods for the action, and I can fully respect that people on this site may not like to read details of situations close to them, so please dont see this as a mod attack. I am simply expressing. Even for those that were not close to the guys, I believe emotion is still raised and closure is a key focus.

**crashe** · 15th December 2006, 11:22

Originally Posted by CaN

So, who is telling you to go faster?
Name and shame!

Well that would be ME......
On Julie's VERY first lesson...... getting her to go up from riding in first gear to second gear and me saying "You now have to go faster" cos after all Julie couldnt forever to continue to ride in first gear on the roads.
Then I had her going into third gear.... she took it up to fourth gear all on her own that day... and got to 40km per hour.

So if that is bad......... then have a go at me.

But she is now riding faster than 40km per hour as she has been out on Old North Road with me and out on the Mentor ride on Wednesday night.
Doing 70km which is within her license restrictions.
Julie is also doing the required speed limit around town now (50km)

If and when she is comfortable she will allow herself to ride faster.... and only then.

If others have told her to go faster.... then that has nought to do with me and helping Julie out there learning to ride.

**The Stranger:Me** · 15th December 2006, 11:47

Originally Posted by crashe

Well that would be ME......
On Julie's VERY first lesson...... getting her to go up from riding in first gear to second gear and me saying "You now have to go faster" cos after all Julie couldnt forever to continue to ride in first gear on the roads.
Then I had her going into third gear.... she took it up to fourth gear all on her own that day... and got to 40km per hour.

So if that is bad......... then have a go at me.

But she is now riding faster than 40km per hour as she has been out on Old North Road with me and out on the Mentor ride on Wednesday night.
Doing 70km which is within her license restrictions.
Julie is also doing the required speed limit around town now (50km)

If and when she is comfortable she will allow herself to ride faster.... and only then.

If others have told her to go faster.... then that has nought to do with me and helping Julie out there learning to ride.

Crashe - you speed fiend you.
Julie, may I suggest that you consider attending a RRRS course. The next one is on the 21st of January 07.
There is none in February as it clashes with the Battle of the Streets.

**crashe** · 15th December 2006, 12:07

Originally Posted by CaN

Crashe - you speed fiend you.
Julie, may I suggest that you consider attending a RRRS course. The next one is on the 21st of January 07.
There is none in February as it clashes with the Battle of the Streets.

I have told Julie about this course and said to contact you as you would have all the details.... of when the next one is on...
I have done that course a few years back and do recommend it to everyone.

**SPman** · 15th December 2006, 12:11

Its also a good course to do as a "refresher", from time to time, or, as some do, when you change bikes.

**Blondini** · 15th December 2006, 12:45

Originally Posted by CaN

So, who is telling you to go faster?
Name and shame!

As for laying your bike down - don't do it - why crash to avoid a crash? Stay on the bike to the bitter end. Emergency brake and or look for an out. You run out of options when you bail.

Twas just a thought

I have no idea really...

And no I am not naming names.