Road policing activities

[Skyryder]

Of course they can - it's just in the road policing side of things ACC want to see proof that their money is being used for what it was intended for.

Name me on job where there is not some form of checks and balances??

You are talking about an audit. Of course money allocated needs to be seen that it has been spent where allocated.

“Outcomes are not about checks and balances. They are performance related. Strategies are the mechanism that ‘outcomes are achieved.

My original post is in opposition where outcomes are measured against districts and this is the purpose of 'scorecards.' To record winning districts and losing districts.

As you once said in one of your posts some time ago the funding is based on a business model. On that basis it is investment and profit e.g revinue gathering.

Skyryder

[SwanTiger]

Communicating within partnerships
Continuous improvement depends on continual discussion and coordination between the various road safety interests at all levels.

Effective communication within road safety partnerships helps everyone understand their role in achieving road safety goals.

For example, road safety action planning, including network safety coordination planning, will be critical in the drive for further road safety improvement.

Does this mean that organisations such as BRONZ can have a more active and weighted role in conveying the opinion of New Zealand motorcyclist? I hope so, as I like many others have little to no faith in those in Government who champion these 'elaborate' road safety intiatives.

Road policing community resources (Greater Auckland Region)
Four sworn offi cers are assigned to the dedicated traffi c groups in the North Shore Waitakere district area. These offi cers will service the greater Auckland region with a particular focus on urban arterial routes.

A key element of their role will entail working closely with various local government and community groups, using a problem solving approach to identify and target road safety hot spots with both Police and community resources.

These sworn officers will work as an adjunct within the wider Urban Arterial initiative and will maintain a record of issues tackled and problems solved to track effectiveness.

Who would these community groups be and how would the Police choose which community groups to approach for assistance with their road safety intiative?

Police vehicles as police stations
Police frontline vehicles will be fi tted with a boot-located reinforced computer which will function as the equivalent of a police station computing infrastructure server.

This computer will enable global positioning system (GPS) functionality and provide the computing capability required for future vehicle-based computing, such as vehicle-based E-Query, web-enabled police applications access, in-vehicle video and vehicle based Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR).

Another bullshit-waste-tax-payers-money initiative that will have no real effect on the level of service Police provide to the community. It would be a lot cheaper to setup another channel like metro for checks and have an additional operator manning a computer and radio.

As for ANPR, I don't believe this will be effective. It sounds like a good idea, however nothing will beat good old fashion policing. Our country isn't that big, yet, and such technology will only complicate the officers job.

[Ixion]

WTF is "network safety coordination planning". And why does it make the hair on the back of my neck stand up?

[SwanTiger]

It's alright Ixion, when was the last time you saw a Highway Patrol unit or speed camera on one of New Zealand's many gravel roads.

National Road Safety Advisory Group (NRSAG)
The National Road Safety Advisory Group (NRSAG) comprises a wide range of public and private sector agencies which have an interest in road safety. It provides a forum for agencies to provide independent advice and bring outstanding road safety issues to the attention of the NRSC and other appropriate agencies.

Members include Land Transport NZ, Police, Ministry of Transport, ACC, Transit NZ, Local Government NZ, Ministry of Health (Public Health Group), Te Puni Kokiri, Alcohol Advisory Council of NZ, Ministry of Justice, NZ School Trustees Association, NZ Automobile Association, Department of Internal Affairs, a road safety coordinators' representative, Cycle Support NZ, Energy Effi ciency Conservation Authority (EECA), Ministry of Youth Affairs and the Ministry of Justice (Crime Prevention Unit).

Who the hell are Cycle Support NZ? Why isn't BRONZ on this list? Were they rejected or have they not bothered to muscle their name onto the list?

The objective would be to convey the interest of motorcyclist in New Zealand, however at a bare minimum they should be going to these meetings for the free nibbles and coffee.

[Ixion]

The difficulty of monitoring traffic on gravel roads had occured to me. But, on the other hand, I have seen cops of late on double digit state highways , where everyone knows they have no business to be. so nothing is safe, methinks.

The NRSAG is "by invitation only". BRONZ would be happy to toddle along if invited. It is exceeding inprobable it ever will be, since the first requirement for an invitation is that the group must either be a government department (as almost all members are) or be certain to toe the government line. The group meets very rarely and its only purpose in life is to provide window dressing for government decisions.

[Skyryder]

The NRSAG is "by invitation only". BRONZ would be happy to toddle along if invited. It is exceeding inprobable it ever will be, since the first requirement for an invitation is that the group must either be a government department (as almost all members are) or be certain to toe the government line. The group meets very rarely and its only purpose in life is to provide window dressing for government decisions.

Nowhere are motocylcist refered to in any safety campaigns. In fact they (we) do not even figure in the document.

1.5 User-group
outcomes
Two particular user groups ­ pedestrians and cyclists ­ are singled out in the strategy because
they have particular safety requirements. The safety framework for these user groups will be
developed in association with a broader national walking and cycling strategy.

Skyryder

[SwanTiger]

Nowhere are motocylcist refered to in any safety campaigns. In fact they (we) do not even figure in the document.

The only related item I found was near the end of the document which made reference to (what I beleive) is the number of Motorcycles that exceeded 40 kmp/h in the 2005/2006 period. I may be incorrect, search the page for the term "M/Cyclist".

Which is interesting, however not suprising.

Isn't there already a safety intiative that followed on from the "look out for bikes" campaign? I think someone posted up a survey form on Kiwi Biker and highlighted their new campaign to get motorcyclist wearing the correct potective gear.

[Swoop]

WTF is "network safety coordination planning".

*sniff, sniff* I smell consultants!
Scum of the earth.

[El Dopa]

I totaly agree! I work on conclusions - don't want to decipher the information myself

Only works if you implicitly trust the person who comes to that particular conclusion, though.

[Lou Girardin]

Now now, the Polioce are solely responsible for the drop in this years road toll. Improved roads, vehicles, and medical care have nothing to do with it at all.
Nor has the drop in vehicle usage when fuel prices were sky high.
It's all down to the boys in blue writing up Mum's and Dad's for 11 k's over the limit.
Well done Guys!

[Grahameeboy]

Now now, the Polioce are solely responsible for the drop in this years road toll. Improved roads, vehicles, and medical care have nothing to do with it at all.
Nor has the drop in vehicle usage when fuel prices were sky high.
It's all down to the boys in blue writing up Mum's and Dad's for 11 k's over the limit.
Well done Guys!

Improved roads mean nothing unless driving standards improve.

Vehicles are built safer with air bags, ABS etc, however, cars are faster and again fast cars are not safe in hands of bad drivers.

I doubt that fuel prices have any bearing, but happy to be corrected.

Yes, a ticket for being 11k over does seem petty when it is an open road, however, that is the law whether we like it or not. I guess it is also down to individual attitude of Police officer which is another debate......on way back home from 250 ride there were 3 of us doing about 140k and the cop car just flashed his lights.....open road, good call I say.

I know a few years back NZ had the 2nd highest toll rate so something is wrong so maybe we are not mature enough in NZ to do more than 100k.

[The Pastor]

Hey man.

Speed Kills.

Hear about that poor guy at the new years eve party in waikato? He did 53 in a 50 zone a few weeks before.


Speed Kills, slow down.

SPEED KILLS

[Skyryder]

Dude thats rubbish. Of course we are enforcers of government policy, what they tell us to police we police. We dont make the law we enforce it. We dont do Frank Baniramawamakama's when we are not happy with how the law is dicated to us, its not our place.

What wrong with using Police estimates? An estimate based on historical trends and current data is never solid but its a way of predicting what may happen. All sorts of agencies use Police statistics or estimates for even the most mundane purposes.

Of course the "Campaign against Drugs on Roads" are going to talk to the media and quote statistics and estimates...thats what Campaigns do.

Your coming across pre biased and totally single minded against the Police.

You seem to miss the point. The estimate was used by the CANDOR TRUST for their own political purposes.

The estimates reflect a failed government road safety policy, Rachael Ford, spokeswoman for Candor (the Campaign against Drugs on Roads), said yesterday.

"Our crash rate, serious injuries and hospitalisation have steadily trended upwards if you take a close look - parallel to the closure of drug rehabilitation centres," she said.

All the data I can find suggests the complete opposite.

Two things emerge from this.
1 The Police are producing estimates that arrive in the public domain. This may be deliberate or not. I don't know but I suspect that the estimate was given out to the media.

2 CANDOR have criticised the closing of drug rehabiltation centres and used police estimates for their own political purposes.

That is not criticising the police. But on the other hand I can not see any motive as to why the police would release crash estimates other than to counter the downward trend of roadside trauma's.

I'm a cynical sod. I'm just wondering if someone is playing political games here.

What do you think.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

Mmmm well if the information they have used is incorrect and they knowingly used it for some kind of court purpose to open drug trauma places then they would be liable for possibly fraud depending on how they profited or obtained something from it.

All police statistics and estimates are available to any New Zealander under the official information act...the media is however always wanting everything they can get under the privacy act so it is possible they obtained the information from the media....who have left themselves wide open to public outcry and loss of faith if it was in fact they who allegedly intentionally altered data.

I accept the possibility that CANDOR may have been responding to a media interview and that the release was not of their cause. But their response to the estimate, while of no direct resposnibility of the police does, at least to me, highlight that there is an emerging 'speed industry.'

I acknowledge the other points you have made.

Skyryder

[scumdog]

The argument that it is necessary for cops to give out tickets to prove they are doing their job is easily refuted. Moreover it may also easily be shown that the present practice of measuring performance by the number of tickets handed out is not in fact an effective performance measure.

The objective of road policing should be, not to "catch people", but to ensure the roads are safe.This could easily be measured by monitoring the percentage of people who were OBEYING the law. More people obeying the law means the police are doing their job and attaining their objective (which is safe roads, not prosecutions).

Of course, those who were not obeying the law would still receive tickets. But that would be incidental to the purpose of making the roads safe, not , as at present, the purpose of the job.
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Aha Mr Ixion you're onto my cunning scheme for that is how I operate!!

I monitor the percentage OBEYING the law - and ignore them.

The rest I give tickets to.