Road policing activities

**scumdog** · 2nd January 2007, 16:13

Originally Posted by Dynamytus50

Na man these are awesome. I have found so many criminals who lie to me about who they are and have no ID...quick check on the on board computer gives me his photo and any active charges, warrant or bail conditions.

Also straight away know if a cars stolen, no waiting 8th in line on a friday night for a check from comms.

They contain GPS and other really helpful tools which have made a huge difference in my job.

Yup, worked when I was with the cops in the US - no down time, no radio chatter frustrating you, straight to the info you needed at the time and without delay.

Well worth getting.

**mstriumph** · 2nd January 2007, 16:18

Originally Posted by scumdog

..........Name me on job where there is not some form of checks and balances??

queen
god
prime minister of australia

one may be deposed
one may be discounted
one may be dumped from office

----------- but it would take so long, and so much more effort than most peopls are willing to expend that, to all intents & purposes there ARE no checks & balances ..........

nevertheless, i do follow your drift .............

**Lou Girardin** · 2nd January 2007, 16:29

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

Improved roads mean nothing unless driving standards improve.

Vehicles are built safer with air bags, ABS etc, however, cars are faster and again fast cars are not safe in hands of bad drivers.

I doubt that fuel prices have any bearing, but happy to be corrected.

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Think before you post GMan, what about motorway barriers?
What about more divided carriageways separating traffic?
How about fuel prices cutting the km's travelled?
Have you any evidence that drivers of 'safe' cars drive faster?
How about the proliferation of cell phones meaning that emergency services are called to accidents quicker, and choppers allowing quicker transit to hospitals.

This is what has cut the road toll. Not cops just "doing their jobs".

**scumdog** · 2nd January 2007, 16:32

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

Think before you post GMan, what about motorway barriers?
What about more divided carriageways separating traffic?
How about fuel prices cutting the km's travelled?
Have you any evidence that drivers of 'safe' cars drive faster?
How about the proliferation of cell phones meaning that emergency services are called to accidents quicker, and choppers allowing quicker transit to hospitals.

This is what has cut the road toll. Not cops just "doing their jobs".

I dtect G'eboy is taking exception to the other end of the stick which kinda indicates the cops have absolutely nothing to do with the road toll being lower than the past..

**Lou Girardin** · 2nd January 2007, 16:33

Originally Posted by SwanTiger

It's alright Ixion, when was the last time you saw a Highway Patrol unit or speed camera on one of New Zealand's many gravel roads.

Unsealed roads are our safest in terms of accident numbers. The cops aren't needed there.
They're needed out at night catching drunks, boy-racers playing PS behind the wheel and other general motoring retards, not during the day. (The highest revenue producing period)

**scumdog** · 2nd January 2007, 16:47

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

Unsealed roads are our safest in terms of accident numbers. The cops aren't needed there.
They're needed out at night catching drunks, boy-racers playing PS behind the wheel and other general motoring retards, not during the day. (The highest revenue producing period)

Once again I do not fit the 'mold'.
I like using the radar at night, people don't have visual warning that your there and nobody flashes their lights.

And you meet a nicer type of people, the type that say "I don't see why a man of my obvious experience and good driving ability can't go as fast as he wants to at night on a road like this" (said after getting picked up at 132kph).

The obvious answer was "I quite agree sir, it's just you have to pay a little for that privelege" - ah yes, that degree in Tact and Diplomacy is really paying of eh?

**Lou Girardin** · 2nd January 2007, 16:53

Originally Posted by scumdog

Once again I do not fit the 'mold'.

I know you aren't mouldy scummy, the trouble is that what I said is the norm for the higher populated parts of the country.

You'll rarely see an HP car up on SH16 at night f'rinstance.
If there were, they may have got the retards in a van, before they did a double somersault followed by a half twist outside Pixies place.

**Bonez** · 2nd January 2007, 17:33

Originally Posted by scumdog

Aha Mr Ixion you're onto my cunning scheme for that is how I operate!!

I monitor the percentage OBEYING the law - and ignore them.

The rest I give tickets to.

Been a few nice cops our way lately. Seem more interested in around town antics than open road stuff. Could have been pulled over a few times over the last week or so.

**RT527** · 2nd January 2007, 17:33

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

You'll rarely see an HP car up on SH16 at night f'rinstance.
If there were, they may have got the retards in a van, before they did a double somersault followed by a half twist outside Pixies place.

If you go Fishing Lou , Do you Catch All Of The Fish In The Sea?????.

Guys we all make Mistakes, we all are human, And despite a few Bad apples , I`d say without a doubt that for what the govt pays our boys in Blue, they Do the best Damn Job that they Can.
I know one or two guys...well actually quite a lot of them , and its just from talking to them with respect that I get the same back.
I`m a truck driver and get pulled over by CVIU a few times a year,...They Know most of the Drivers that they pull from reputation IE if your a smart arse then most of the officers will Know and treat you the same, if you treat them as human beings you get respect back, I will Often ring up my mates at cviu if i have a problem understanding a rule or regulation and want clarification, Which Often means I will be subjected to a beating and a pepper spray at the nearest weighbridge...well not really just jks there.

What I am saying is that rather than criticise try doing the job yourself then see what you think...

piss poor wage
little support from superiors
Public judgement
Abuse

And the list goes on.
But at least we still have the right to Freedom Of speech .

**Indoo** · 2nd January 2007, 17:46

I think the problem with the whole ticket based performance measuring of traffic cops is that all it does is encourage them to police where they are most likely to get tickets, not where excessive speed is dangerous or an accident black spot.

Everytime I enter Dome Valley, I see a ton of signs either side warning that its an accident black spot and to slow down, I have not yet seen a speed camera or HP policing the area. Yet on the passing lanes prior to and after you often get a speed camera van sitting at the end of a lane punishing those who have waited to pass slow traffic.

I know quite a few of the poor buggers and I think its wrong that some idiot focused on performance targets rather than proper policing dictates what they do.

**Ixion** · 2nd January 2007, 17:57

Exactly so. My point precisely. When the performance measure is tickets written any cop with half a brain is going to hang about where he can most easily pick up tickets. Which is those passing lanes.

Whereas if the performance measure was fewer accidents in Dome Valley, they would all hang out there. Some motorists (those driving unsafely) would still get tickets. But fewer than from the passing lanes. But, the visible strong presence would make all traffic more careful, and the accident rate there would reduce.

**doc** · 2nd January 2007, 18:16

Originally Posted by Dynamytus50

I dont personally do traffic but i have done a four month secondment there. We were expected to meet a rough number of tickets. I dont know what your winging about skyryder, if an officer is assigned to road policing duties then there has to be a way of tracking if he is actually going out and issuing Ions Tons and 1V reports....otherwise he could get away with doing nothing.

I am monitored on how many arrests i make and what problem geographical areas i have been targeting....i think its also needed to check what traffic cops are issuing out and then compare to what that is nationally.

You can never have too much information.

So what "makes your day" "Fucks someone else's day" even though you can be wrong and we have to spend time and money correcting your error in monitoring. Your a f..king wanker if you think you are doing a real job. Tosser... get out of the trough and see what it is like for real. You have lost touch. Don't try and defend yourself on a motorcycle internet forum. We are all guilty as soon as we get on a bike, that is capable of exceeding the speed limit.And now moving on the weather looks fine tomorrow another chance for you to save me from myself.

**doc** · 2nd January 2007, 18:18

Originally Posted by RT527

If you go Fishing Lou , Do you Catch All Of The Fish In The Sea?????.

Guys we all make Mistakes, we all are human, And despite a few Bad apples , I`d say without a doubt that for what the govt pays our boys in Blue, they Do the best Damn Job that they Can.
I know one or two guys...well actually quite a lot of them , and its just from talking to them with respect that I get the same back.
I`m a truck driver and get pulled over by CVIU a few times a year,...They Know most of the Drivers that they pull from reputation IE if your a smart arse then most of the officers will Know and treat you the same, if you treat them as human beings you get respect back, I will Often ring up my mates at cviu if i have a problem understanding a rule or regulation and want clarification, Which Often means I will be subjected to a beating and a pepper spray at the nearest weighbridge...well not really just jks there.

What I am saying is that rather than criticise try doing the job yourself then see what you think...

piss poor wage
little support from superiors
Public judgement
Abuse

And the list goes on.
But at least we still have the right to Freedom Of speech .

Are you a volunteer?

**Grahameeboy** · 2nd January 2007, 19:35

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

Think before you post GMan, what about motorway barriers?

Oh so do accidents only happen on the other side then?

What about more divided carriageways separating traffic?

Oh so that stops cars having accidents on their side of road?

How about fuel prices cutting the km's travelled?

Most Kiwi's hate travelling for more than 30 minutes so not sure this makes a difference.

Have you any evidence that drivers of 'safe' cars drive faster?

Not on me but I remember when the Audi Quattro came out. It had 4 wheel drive so drivers went faster thinking they could take bends faster and they had a a lot of crashes.

I was saying that cars are faster now.

How about the proliferation of cell phones meaning that emergency services are called to accidents quicker, and choppers allowing quicker transit to hospitals.

So the accident has still happened right?

This is what has cut the road toll. Not cops just "doing their jobs".

Sorry cops not required anymore. You can all go home cause cellphones are reducing the road toll...............but don't text whilst driving?

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**SwanTiger** · 2nd January 2007, 21:12

Originally Posted by scumdog

Yup, worked when I was with the cops in the US - no down time, no radio chatter frustrating you, straight to the info you needed at the time and without delay.

Well worth getting.

I was out with my Dad the other night and overheard on the radio a constable asking comms how to operate the thing! Gave me a chuckle.