Distance-based road tax for all vehicles under investigation

[James Deuce]

I guarantee (almost) that the tax will be based on fuel type, not weight. In the interests of keeping the costs of administration down for the "taxpayer". They're obviously targeting petrol powered personal motor vehicles with this one because that is where they will be losing money.

[Ixion]

There is really no excuse for any bike to return less than 100mpg. Anything less is laziness on the part of the designers.

[RantyDave]

Bikes aren't fuel efficient. I get better fuel efficiency from my Renault than I do from the Zed.

SSSHHHH!!! I know that. You know that. F'kin rafts of greenies have no idea and are under the impression that bikes are good for the environment as a result. We want them under this impression. Kindly STFU.

The electric battery powered vehicle is not a goer.

Sure it is. Lithium Ion batteries plus nuclear power stations and we're there. If you can do it with a modified lotus elise you can do it with a motorcycle. Shitloads of torque too.

Oh, but it's nukiller, and NZ can't have nukiller power stations because newkiller power is BAAAAD don't you know. Like, what are we going to do with that nasty radioactive shit, man?

Dave

[RantyDave]

Pointless. They don't give a rat's arse.

I got a reply from a cabinet minister once. Pete Hodgson. He had said something which got taken out of context by a reporter from the NZ Herald and made to sound like he didn't give the first flying fuck about innovation in small business, so I wrote to him taking him to task for it and pointing out how far from the party's official line this was.

I got a moderately angry reply so I think it's safe to say he read it. Hasn't done it since, either AND I still managed to get NZVIF to (indirectly) pay for my beer. Bike too, I guess. Whohoo!

Dave

[rwh]

Oh, but it's nukiller, and NZ can't have nukiller power stations because newkiller power is BAAAAD don't you know. Like, what are we going to do with that nasty radioactive shit, man?

Since I detect sarcasm, I assume you have an answer to that question?

Richard

[Brian d marge]

There is really no excuse for any bike to return less than 100mpg. Anything less is laziness on the part of the designers.

They do.... reckon nuke is the way to go , even NZ has made overtones in that direction
The real interesting counttry to watch is/will be india ...Ive already invested , in a early fifties designed four stroke single , which will run on almost anything volitile , and gets over 80mpg , the new LEAN burn engines get even more ,,,,and there is talk of a fuel injected model ( hearsay at mo )

I will be investing also in a still ...You all can donate your grass clippings and and Manure , to the cause
I will be taking collections twice monthy of Manure at wellington and will sell the surplus ( should be quite a lot) to anyone who wishes to continue riding

BTW they already have seen that eventuality ,,,have u seen the rego on special fuel vehicles ...ouch

Stephen

[James Deuce]

Jantar and K14 have explained in detail why NZ can't use Nuclear Power, and it wasn't why you think it would. NZ's energy grid fundamentally isn't able to parcel out the power from even a small reactor in a way that would make it even faintly cost or energy efficient.

Rantydave, it's nice that a polly wrote back to you. Pete Hodgson is probably one of the few humans in the Labour Caucus, but, and I mean this sincerely, not one person in the Labour party cares one tiny little thing about what you or I think about anything. They are all much better than us and we need them to save us from ourselves. At least that appears to be both what they think and practice.

[Brian d marge]

Must have missed that , is there a link ??? is it transmission losses ,,,?? our here in Japan is 110v and the same if not worse suspended power lines ..and the only bit of flat land is the size of canterbury ,,the rest is like . rather hilly

Stephen

[avgas]

I guarantee (almost) that the tax will be based on fuel type, not weight. In the interests of keeping the costs of administration down for the "taxpayer". They're obviously targeting petrol powered personal motor vehicles with this one because that is where they will be losing money.

Dont forget all the pit bikes, minichop's, scoots, anythings that "was" cheap fun on the road ("YEAH RIGHT for all of us that know better") etc

[avgas]

NZ's energy grid fundamentally isn't able to parcel out the power from even a small reactor in a way that would make it even faintly cost or energy efficient.

depends on who you talk to - some people are using pretty fancy stuff in the power industry these days. and transmission based engineering firms in NZ are not exactly going broke.
Going to New York woke me up to that - 90% of the power stuff there is dodgey.....and horrible blue boxes in the subs note for those in the know

[James Deuce]

Jantar and K14 are Energy brokers and actually manage the Clutha plant. I think they know what they are talking about avgas.

You can be as fancy as you want, you can't introduce the wattage from a single Nuclear plant in a way that makes any sense.

[James Deuce]

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Overall analysis?

Nuclear energy is too expensive to commission and to introduce Nuclear power would mean decommissioning at least 3 non-Nuclear plants, bringing our total Energy generation output back to our current levels without any capability to add more generation capacity unless those non-nuclear plants are re-commissioned to cope with added demand. In approximately 300Mw chunks.

So someone is going to experience brown outs at peak demand for years at a time.

The price of power will go up massively to cover a $3-400 million operating cost.

At some point in the future there may be modular units that can generate 2-300Mw of power but they are of a type that you put in a hole in the ground and then when it has used up its fuel supply you fill the hole with concrete.

Nuclear waste is not a topic to be dismissed as "trivial", nor dismissed as over-emphasised by Luddites. Irradiated equipment from clothing to spent fuel makes up a large chunk of stuff to dispose of "safely", and even lightly irradiated people are a risk to others around them as well as their own long term health issues.

[Dai]

The internal combustion engine is the way to go. All we need to do is change the fuel. Modern diesels are super efficient, and will run on virtually any vegetable oil. ...

If you look into the "deisel" engine you will see that modern use of the deisel is very inefficient.

George Deisel designed the engine to run on peanut oil not hydrocarbon.

If the government and petrol companies wanted to they could let these engines run on veggie oils of all kinds.

The by products of these fuels is dramatically less damaging than the fuel we call deisel.

I remember the fuss in the UK when there was a big rash of people buying hundreds of liters of cooking oil at a time from the supermarket because it was 1/3 the price of deisel at the pumps.

I may be cynical here but I find these endless debates about the government and how they are going to change how the gather revenue from its citizens, very tedious.

We moan, complain and postulate all sorts of alternative methods of basically complying with their demands.

Help me out here any legal experts.

It is my understanding that there has never been any act of parliament made into law that forces you to may income tax. It is my understanding that it is more a contractual agreement that when you get an IRD number you enter into an agreement to pay this to the gov.

We all, myself included, just go along with it. Mainly through fear.

If enough of us just refused to support these "taxes" the gov would have to look elsewhere for their spending money. This brings me to another point. Just what do we get for this money we pay?

Education-- a joke
Health -- a farce
The military -- a laughing stock
The police-- self funding from fines now
Roads--- absolute crap
Social services-- $11000 a year for an OAP, Helen gets that a week almost.

We wont do anything because we are SHEEP. We follow the norm making lots of noise doing nothing.


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[davereid]

Yeah, we use the word "diesel" to describe compression ignition engines, or rational heat engines. They dont care what they are fed, as long as it burns !

There are modern compression ignition engines exceeding 50% thermal efficiency. Thats bloody good ! I'm not sure electric vehicles would better that if the calculation started at the generator and included all the losses from the power plant to the wheel.

Often when we discuss "revolutionary" new electric engines we fall for the hype. Lots of these "super fuel efficient" vehicles are only producing 20kw. My ride on mower does that. My mums 3 cyl daihatsu does 40kw !

[RantyDave]

Nuclear waste is not a topic to be dismissed as "trivial"

No, but it is better than the alternative - being to throw lots more carbon in the air and trigger a whole bunch of right now problems instead of some 2000 years in the future problems.

But I'm quite willing to believe that our transmission infrastructure is unable to move the power (1.21 GW?) from one end of the country to another.

Little tiny nuclear reactors, that's what we need. With at least one installed in Kerry Prendergast's garden.