Another rant on licensing.....!

**Chisanga** · 12th January 2007, 13:38

Lucy,

You could also do away with that stupid 10pm to 5am restriction for people over 25. In auckland that is probably the safest time to ride anyway

**Lucy** · 13th January 2007, 11:46

Originally Posted by Chisanga

Lucy,

You could also do away with that stupid 10pm to 5am restriction for people over 25. In auckland that is probably the safest time to ride anyway

Yeah it's dumb eh. Just a hang over from the car restrictions I think, but a learner on a bike is hardly going to take a bunch of mates with him to a party. I just applied for an exemption to this, hope I get it as the fee is non-rrefundable, and like you say, the roads are brilliant at midnight.

**Lucy** · 13th January 2007, 11:47

Originally Posted by avgas

dont blame the cars. thats like blaming guns or dogs.
and some food for thought - how many manuals are involved in crashes every year, compare that to the population of auto's on the road? You will find an interesting statistic.
I drive an auto for a very good reason - it slows me down.

I would LOVE to know the statistics for auto vs manual in crashes. If you have access please share.

**Lucy** · 13th January 2007, 11:51

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Originally Posted by Spuds1234

Ever try sitting in heavy traffic (such as the LA rush hour) in a manual. You wont have a clutch in a week with a manual.

On..Off..On..Off..On..Oh we made second..Back to first..On..Off...

Yes, I have an automatic, and it's great for rush hour traffic. But I also used to drive a manual people mover, and had have heard so many people say, "oh I couldnt drive a manual, it's just so hard, you are so clever driving this" To which I was always thinking to myself, it's called DRIVING, it's not rocket science, and if you cant' do it you are an idiot.

**Lucy** · 13th January 2007, 11:53

Originally Posted by GR81

the minimum time is so that you gain more experience on the road i guess.
some people could pass their test after 1 month of driving... it doesn't mean they have experience tho.

Yes I was unclear, I think the minimum and maximum should be the same.

**yungatart** · 13th January 2007, 11:53

I love my auto.. if I had a manual car, then my (our) holiday would have been totally screwed after my off. I doubt that I could have driven a manual car with my left leg in plaster...

**Lucy** · 13th January 2007, 11:55

Originally Posted by crashe

well a bit of useless info for you Lucy....

When you sit your car license in a AUTOMATIC then that is what is written on your license. You can not drive a manual car..... yep if you get stopped by that nice police officer...... you can get a ticket if you are behind the wheel of a manual car if you are meant to be driving a automatic.

Lucy - If and when you get to be Transport Minister...... can you do away with the 70km limit on Learners for motorbike riders...... cheers.

Yes that is first on the list!

Are you sure about the 'auto' licence? I thought it was only for the restricted phase, and once they passed the full test they could drive anything.

**T.I.E** · 13th January 2007, 12:02

got my vote.
all in favour?

**Ixion** · 13th January 2007, 12:03

An argument could be made that drivers should be able to demonstrate ability to drive a manual transmission, even if, once having obtained their licence, they choose an automatic.

And the previous poster is correct, the "tested on auto, can only drive auto" thing applies at the restricted phase. Incomprehensible.

**jafar** · 13th January 2007, 12:08

Originally Posted by Lucy

Yes that is first on the list!

Are you sure about the 'auto' licence? I thought it was only for the restricted phase, and once they passed the full test they could drive anything.

The quote about the auto only is correct. If you have 'auto' on your licence then thats all you can drive.
Bikes have been made as automatics in the past ( honda ) had them for a short time , they never caught on.
Auto cars are imported because thats what is in demand , the other option if you want it is 'tiptronic' or 'supershift' , the car & truck manufacturing industry is moving this way & manuals will become a thing of the past.

**Lou Girardin** · 13th January 2007, 16:07

With the predominance of autos on the road, you're suggesting that people will have to obtain an entirely different vehicle for their test.
That'll work.
A far better idea is a minimum number of hours of professional instruction. As civilised countries require.

**sunhuntin** · 13th January 2007, 17:54

Originally Posted by Lucy

Yes I was unclear, I think the minimum and maximum should be the same.

but thats just the same as what you said in the first post.
ive been on my learners for 2 years this march or may [cant remember which] and have likely travelled the complete distance of this country k-wise. i still dont feel confident enough to go for my restricted. i dont think id ride as well having someone follow me.
i would not have gone for the one license i do have if id have to be on a higher class with say, 6 months.
theres no way a new rider should feel pressured into advancing. its hard enough learning to ride safely without freaking over the "omg, i have to gain enough experience in 6 months!"

also...when it comes to cars, i cant and wont drive either an auto or manual. both look too damn tricky, and im happier on 2 wheels.

**avgas** · 13th January 2007, 19:04

Originally Posted by Lucy

I would LOVE to know the statistics for auto vs manual in crashes. If you have access please share.

Sorry i havent heard these statistic for about 10 years, but last time i recall (it was ten years ago - so my accuracy is out the window) approx auto equal about 70% of 'cars' on the road, they contribute to about 40% of 'car' accidents. At the time i was quite against autos....but as i stated before, driving an auto has saved my licence so i cant diss them anymore - especially with that whole 'loss-of-traction' act that the cops have chucked in there.....its a bloody joke to drive a manual anymore cos the cops will bust you for anything fun in a car. So i leave the car as transport and the bike for fun

**avgas** · 13th January 2007, 19:10

Originally Posted by Lucy

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Yes, I have an automatic, and it's great for rush hour traffic. But I also used to drive a manual people mover, and had have heard so many people say, "oh I couldnt drive a manual, it's just so hard, you are so clever driving this" To which I was always thinking to myself, it's called DRIVING, it's not rocket science, and if you cant' do it you are an idiot.

Oh poor lucy, your exactly where i was 5 years ago.......pulling your hair out to people who cant drive.
I refuse to take any driving advice to people who : a) use their horn for anything but to say 'hi/bye' (these people are just assholes) and b) people who dont turn out to turn in (cornering physics) still.

**avgas** · 13th January 2007, 19:17

Originally Posted by Ixion

And the previous poster is correct, the "tested on auto, can only drive auto" thing applies at the restricted phase. Incomprehensible.

Not really, friend of mine got his full bike, bought a zxr4 and failed to complete a 25K corner on a ride with me.......if he had the money he would have bought a R1 and made a mess of himself on that corner (i had secretly restriced his zxr4). Nothing on his license would have restricted him either....after 2 years on auckland roads on a FXR150. That is a joke.
At least if you get a license on an auto, cant drive a manual and try to learn worst case scenario you forget to change down and the car stalls.

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