Winja spotted in Papatoetoe

[Thumper]

In criticising individuals who choose not to wear safety gear we put ourselves within the same group who criticise motorcycles because they are dangerous (it’s simply the law of relativity).

In riding motorcycles we reinforce the fact that we have freedom of choice to choose a mode of transport which is not as safe as others within a world where so many of our freedoms have been removed. Riding without safety gear is not illegal its simply personal choice. If a rider chooses to ride without safety gear they are only endangering themselves (freedom of choice).

I choose to wear all my gear 99% of the time but I have been out for a quick blat now and again in jeans, t-shirt and sneakers. On a hot summer day it’s absolutely fantastic. If I damage myself under such circumstances I will take full responsibility as I do every time I roll the bike out of the garage rather than the cage.

[oldrider]

I must say I miss WINJA on this forum. Where has he gone?

Freedom to be who you are, even a ( not a reference to WINJA ) without hurting anyone else, is OK by me! Cheers John.

[doc]

Ahh well too true , of course hes not going to hurt anyone like that cept himself so theres no problem eh?.....dont worry about the ambulance/police and sometimes fireys that have to scrape him up after he looks like jelly( really is much easier on us if you wear your gear...less to clean up) ongoing trauma at having to see someone like that .....months and months of tax payers money down the drain if he survives....higher acc levies once they realize that we need to be wearing gear if we don't they may not give us future acc, going along the lines that you guys said he may not off...but then again does n`t the insurance work along the lines that you will off hence higher premiums.

Makes me laugh that so many on here are blinkered to one agenda. and if it doesn't involve something they hate then it must be all right.

Lol guess that goes for me too.

I do try to have an open mind but that really is just stoopid

Cmon you would rather go to the real stuff than friggin waiting for it to happen watching training vids. You are not one of those thats needs councilling every time you "Turn a wheel" are you ?

[MadDuck]

Heck thats funny....under labour we have billions in the coffers....i can get an elective surgery...this guy wears jandals AND its all his fault.

His only problem is colour choice. Surely Warehouse sell red ????

[Hitcher]

Those aren't chandals. They're sneakers.

[Drunken Monkey]

...dont worry about the ambulance/police and sometimes fireys that have to scrape him up after he looks like jelly...

No one put a gun to anyone's head and said "be an ambo", "be a policeman" or "be a fireman". If you don't like that part of the job, go sit behind a desk.

[James Deuce]

If I damage myself under such circumstances I will take full responsibility as I do every time I roll the bike out of the garage rather than the cage.

If you paid in full for the medical care, rehab, and special vehicle you might need, then that would be true. But you don't. The rest of us do. Not a valid argument in NZ.

I fully support anyone's right to do anything they want, so long as it doesn't cost me money, and if it were the US I'd probably join you, provided I had full Medical Insurance and an HMO that agreed to deal with Motorcycle related injuries and Rehab.

[N4CR]

so what as long as it don't push up my acc. i occasionally pull wheelies in jeans or no gear going down the road to the dairy/whatever who gives a ****, if i get ****ed up its my fault and my problem. most stunters don't wear **** and they know the consequences already...

and also i bet you wouldn't post taht if winja was still on here you ****.

[The Pastor]

I often ride to get gas in just a helmet. and pants. Suck me.

[Thumper]

If you paid in full for the medical care, rehab, and special vehicle you might need, then that would be true. But you don't. The rest of us do. Not a valid argument in NZ.

When I purchased my first bike three years back I also bought full medical, disability, income protection and life insurance that would cover both the wife and I should the unspeakable happen. The decision to once again take up biking was taken in its entirety and that included taking financial responsibility for any off’s I may have.

I have lived most of my life outside of NZ in countries where citizens are left to fend for themselves so the idea of relying on the state is foreign to me.

Unfortunately this does not mean I get any discount on the ACC levy component of my annual reg

[MadDuck]

Suck me.

Only if you wear YELLOW jandals

[The Pastor]

Only if you wear YELLOW jandals

I were bare feat noob.

[Ixion]

If you paid in full for the medical care, rehab, and special vehicle you might need, then that would be true. But you don't. The rest of us do. Not a valid argument in NZ.

I fully support anyone's right to do anything they want, so long as it doesn't cost me money, and if it were the US I'd probably join you, provided I had full Medical Insurance and an HMO that agreed to deal with Motorcycle related injuries and Rehab.

Not a valid argument as regards motorcylists. Actual acturial based ACC levies for motorcycles (ie levy to cover actual costs of injuries) would be in excess of $1500. The levy charged is a political comprimise.So no motorcyclist pays in full for medical care rehab etc etc. Which makes your argument a very good one for banning motorcycles. Or, at any rate the ones which statistics show crash a lot. ie sprotsbikes .Mopeds is OK, they actualy DO pay in full. Odd that considering the number of threads ranting about scooter riders not wearing magic gear.

[MadDuck]

I were bare feat noob.

Noob? Well fella I only take you seriously if you have pink toenails to match the jandal colour.....

[James Deuce]

Not a valid argument as regards motorcylists. Actual acturial based ACC levies for motorcycles (ie levy to cover actual costs of injuries) would be in excess of $1500. The levy charged is a political comprimise.So no motorcyclist pays in full for medical care rehab etc etc. Which makes your argument a very good one for banning motorcycles. Or, at any rate the ones which statistics show crash a lot. ie sprotsbikes .Mopeds is OK, they actualy DO pay in full. Odd that considering the number of threads ranting about scooter riders not wearing magic gear.

I am fully aware of that. The ACC Act creates a a situation where you don't actually have the choice. My argument is correct in that like it or not, the NZ Government's Health System is going to patch you up post injury accident, and the Social Systems built for the follow up are going to manage your rehab. I think Motorcycles will be banned in the near to medium future anyway, and part of the mechanism to do that will be making it too expensive to ride, firstly by cranking the ACC levy to what it should be.

The Private Hospitals in NZ do not have Emergency Departments and aren't generally equipped to handle the often severe and complex trauma motorcyclists often undergo, creating problems that need several different hospital departments from burns to orthopedics. You can buy as much cover as you like Thumper. You'll be going through the Public system post motorcycle accident because that's where the ambulance will take you.