Zero Tolerance

[Grahameeboy]

Drink driving can kill.

So can losing control of your vehicle at speed.

I call for a zero tolerance to any speed in a car. We need to reduce the speed culture.

You can drive your car home, but then it must remain at 0kph otherwise you will go to jail.

Silly Rat................but it is not always the speed that is the proximate cause, it is about driving attitude.

UK studies put speed 3rd or so on list of causes.

With drink it is the proximate cause because it reduces our responsibility so we cannot make sensible decisions and think we can do anything.

[Squeak the Rat]

With drink it is the proximate cause because it reduces our responsibility so we cannot make sensible decisions and think we can do anything.

So how is a zero limit going to stop these drunk people from driving home from the party?

[Grahameeboy]

That's because they have a very efficient public transport system. Cars are very expensive so the poor people can't buy them, get depressed and turn to alcohol. No problem on the underground. You can't compare Sweden to NZ. Swedes are more educated, intelligent and responsible. Take my lady for example, if she had even a drop, she would never drive, where as me.... weeeeeeeeeeee.

Laws stop nothing Fluffy.

There are 505 vehicles per 1000 people in Sweden compared with around 700 vehicles per 1,000 people in NZ.

However, the age limit for driving a car (Category B) is 18 in Sweden and 15 in NZ so this would affect vehicle numbers so still looks like Sweden has something to offer....other than a better transport system.

So she is intelligent etc.....left yourself open there but after my diesel fun I have refrained.

So how is a zero limit going to stop these drunk people from driving home from the party?

Sober driver
Taxi...split 4 ways is not expensive.
Dial a Driver
Responsible people..........

Why we do we have this too hard basket mentality.

[avgas]

Hang on a minute here.
"What is zero tolerance mean?"
Do we cut off a hand? Shoot them?
Or just do something pathetic like lock them up or take their licence off them.
I would like it if people lost something everytime they did bad things.
Theft = finger
Rape = *well DUH!
Assault = limb
Murder = Head
Drunk Driving = Eye? Fingers on 1 hand? Oh i know.....AN ASS CHEEK!!!!

[Finn]

There are 505 vehicles per 1000 people in Sweden compared with around 700 vehicles per 1,000 people in NZ.

However, the age limit for driving a car (Category B) is 18 in Sweden and 15 in NZ so this would affect vehicle numbers so still looks like Sweden has something to offer....other than a better transport system.

So she is intelligent etc.....left yourself open there but after my diesel fun I have refrained.

Yes but Fluffy, you can't compare vehicles per 1000 people. The real figure is K's traveled. While many people have cars in Sweden, a majority still use public transport for work and getting pissed.

It's got nothing to do with laws in Sweden. They are just responsible people... or they were until they opened the flood gate to Africa but now they have a smart right winger as a PM, things will get better.

[Grahameeboy]

You mean like drunk driving is like cutting your nose off to spit your face!!

But I thought Kiwi's struggled to drive further than 30 minutes.

Well we do have taxi's, dial a driver etc to accomodate so it's not like we have no options to help us get pissed.

Now where is that basket........I know I put it somewhere

[peasea]

UK studies put speed 3rd or so on list of causes.

As long as a vehicle is in motion speed will always be considered 'a factor'.

Speed needs to be adjusted for the conditions and adding alcohol to the driving/riding equation is playing with fire; it reduces our ability to make sensible decisions, often required in a split second. I've been DIC'd twice (many years ago) with BAL's just over the limit, I thought I was sweet but it doesn't take that much to be 'legally' too drunk to drive and results vary according to the size and metabolism of the person, food intake etc. This is a difficult area; I'm partial to a pint or two when out for a casual ride or on a poker run for example, but in a large group, as the day progresses, I see riders chucking down the grog so I tend to play tail-end Charlie and try to find as much road for myself as I can. Bar-hopping seems to be a part of biker culture for some reason, most likely the 'social' scene, but if you fill your glass with ginger beer nobody knows the difference. Also, I'm meeting more and more bikers who don't drink at all.

Zero tolerance? We've attended the last three Beach Hops at Whangamata. Last year it was a bit damp, the year before the event got hijacked by drunken dickheads fighting, smashing glass and threatening Hop participants left, right and centre. This year the zero tolerance (read high police presence and a total liquor ban) led to a much more orderly event but just as much (if not more) fun. It looked to as if zero tolerance worked there and it's not a small event.

I would, however, be a bit miffed if I couldn't have a glass of wine the next time I took my missus out for dinner, so where do you draw the line? You'll never save people from themselves and protecting the innocent is also nigh on impossible.

Dial a Driver

They are the folk who put my buddy's SV5000 into a tree sideways, destroyed the car and left him with a limp after busting his pelvis.

No thanks.

[Grahameeboy]

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Dial a Driver


They are the folk who put my buddy's SV5000 into a tree sideways, destroyed the car and left him with a limp after busting his pelvis.

No thanks.

There you go, it doesn't pay to drink does it?

[KoroJ]

And your rights are not being penalised. You can still have a drink but cannot drive.

Pass that man a Tui, someone.

Why don't we make it compulsory for everyone to become Muslims. Then none of us can drink and your problem will be solved.

Zero tolerance (along with anti-smacking) is 'using a sledgehammer to crack a nut'

[Ixion]

I do not disagree, however, what is wrong with trying. If what SD says and highre fines will not deter then surely it is worth trying........what have we got to lose.

And your rights are not being penalised. You can still have a drink but cannot drive. Options are a sober driver with turns taken.

Right. And the sober driver is going to drive everyone to work for the next four days. And drive everyone else to wherever they need to go. Because it will be four days before the alcohol level reaches zero. It reaches a very low level quickly, but the last bit takes a long time.That sober driver's going to be a busy man isn't he. Moreover, once the wowsers have zero tolerence for drivers , how long before they demand zero tolerence for passengers too. Because having a drunken passenger in the car can't be safe, can it? Zero tolerance isn't about the road toll, it's about prohibition by stealth.

[Finn]

I understand, however, I just think we have to look at the bigger picture rather than just ourselves because a driver who just has 1 glass of wine could lose control, hit and kill someone you know......and how do we know that for that split moment it took, that that 1 glass of wine did not contribute.

More people are murdered by religion each year than by drinking and driving.

Stop trying to save the world Fluffy. It's a lost cause.

[Paul in NZ]

FFS - a glass of wine MIGHT contribute but so could a thousand other things such as dodgy tyres, stuffed shocks or a failure to account for a wet road.

IF you hurt someone AND you are over the limit then the penalties should be doubled and maybe manslaughter should become murder...

If you are caught over the limit and have committed no other crime (speeding etc) you should be punished but not in the extreme. Multiple offences = serious consequences BUT the fact is some people don't give a shit what you say or the law says etc and will always be dickheads - I don't see why I should pay the price for their utter lack of regard.

Having said that - I believe alcohol bans at major events are a good idea. They seem to work.

[Finn]

Having said that - I believe alcohol bans at major events are a good idea.

Like a beer festival?

[peasea]

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There you go, it doesn't pay to drink does it?

Don't be a smart arse, he thought he was doing the right thing by calling those ninnies. He probably wouldn't have that limp and he might still have his car if he'd driven home, not that I'd say that's very clever.

We have two cars and if we go to a party we take the jappa and just leave it there, taking a cab home. Who cares if some dork pinches your shopping trolley? We also occasionally party with friends who can supply a bed for the night. Simple really, but as SD said earlier, the people you're trying to get at aren't really the problem are they?

[Grahameeboy]

Pass that man a Tui, someone.

Why don't we make it compulsory for everyone to become Muslims. Then none of us can drink and your problem will be solved.

Zero tolerance (along with anti-smacking) is 'using a sledgehammer to crack a nut'

Sometimes we need a sledgehammer...............

Right. And the sober driver is going to drive everyone to work for the next four days. And drive everyone else to wherever they need to go. Because it will be four days before the alcohol level reaches zero. It reaches a very low level quickly, but the last bit takes a long time.That sober driver's going to be a busy man isn't he. Moreover, once the wowsers have zero tolerence for drivers , how long before they demand zero tolerence for passengers too. Because having a drunken passenger in the car can't be safe, can it? Zero tolerance isn't about the road toll, it's about prohibition by stealth.

Well it would reduce traffic congestion so 2 for the price of 1..........

Don't be a smart arse, he thought he was doing the right thing by calling those ninnies. He probably wouldn't have that limp and he might still have his car if he'd driven home, not that I'd say that's very clever.

We have two cars and if we go to a party we take the jappa and just leave it there, taking a cab home. Who cares if some dork pinches your shopping trolley? We also occasionally party with friends who can supply a bed for the night. Simple really, but as SD said earlier, the people you're trying to get at aren't really the problem are they?

I have been told I have a smart arse........but serious, apologies....