ACC calls for “greater awareness of motorcyclists”

[ManDownUnder]

98% of statistics are made up.

Exactly - and another 12% are meaningless...

[Cynos]

Never mind.

I sent one but used facts to point out the flaws whereas your letter is taking a cynical approach to what she has said which is fine and I understand this approach, just that she is using facts so we need to reply using facts.

Basically you are just telling her she is a stupid cow and I am giving her facts and she does not know I am telling her she is a silly old cow.....

Did you even read my letter? It's entirely about their choice of headline. Because it twists the tone of the whole article - and from reporters I've talked to, chances are Ms Binning is pissed about it.

Seriously, look at the angry responses it got on here initially. Why? Because of the tone set by the headline. If you read the article without the headline, it's neutral, pretty much a reworded ACC press release. With the headline? We're the dole bludgers of ACC.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Motorcyclists are massively over-represented in non-injury single vehicle accidents too.

Might want to work on that as well people.

I wouldn't rely on an ACC campaign to change attitudes to those ratbag, dangerous motorcyclists either.

"I'm from the Government, I'm here to help you."

I've recently been involved in an ACC funded motorcycle training film, which I believe is going to be given out free with Kiwi Rider. While it's off the beaten track for this thread (sorry)......I think it's great to see ACC making an effort.

Even if the posters save one life, or serious injury....it's worth it as far as I'm concerned.

Oh yeah......you can all have a good laff at me in the film.....we had to be ever so 'proper', and I was told off more times than I can remember for my use of 'colourful' language!

[MSTRS:Me]

Whereas some of us here prefer 'black' humour....

[craigs288]

That logic really isn't that far from saying bikes are dangerous and that we shouldn't be allowed to ride them.

Cars are far more dangerous. Look at the number of motorcyclists and other road users they injure through crashes.

I'm going out on a limb here with no statistics to back me up at this stage (I'm sure someone will enlighten me if I am wrong).

If you were to compare the number of motorcycle accidents involving a motorcycle being the only vehicle on the road, and they crash and are injured due to their poor skills, poor road condition, poor bike condition etc, and compare that to the number or car accidents involving the car being the only vehicle on the road, and they crash and are injured due to their poor skills, poor road condition, poor car condition etc, I believe motorcyclists would fare better statistically, as in lower numbers.

Likewise if you compare accidents where a car, for whatever reason, crashes into and injures a motorcyclist, with the opposite situation.
I mean really, how often do you hear of a cager minding their own business and a reckless and dangerous motorcyclist slams into them and puts the cager in a hospital. I am sure it happens. Just not often.

[Max Preload]

This sort of 'reporting' pisses me off. Who do they think causes the crashes? This is the problem with the so-called "no-fault" ACC system - the blame gets given to the wrong people.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/...ectid=10445028

[Ewan Oozarmy]

Possibly compulsory 3rd party insurance for all road users could also help as the drivers who currently don't have insurance (and I've no idea what the number is) may be a little more careful if they risk an insurance premium increase each time they have a smash.

Just a thought.....

[Disco Dan]

What a prat.

Auckland City police roading manager Inspector Heather Wells said most of the district's motorcycle accidents occurred on five major roads in the city - Great North Rd, Great South Rd, Karangahape Rd, Newton Rd and Ponsonby Rd.

The tour will take place after a Motorcycle Crash Investigator training session this morning at the ASB Showgrounds, where motorcycles will be dropped from a crane to simulate varying speeds of impact.

This morning??? did anyone hear about this??? nooooooo...... dont think so!

Crashes double, but amount of cars and bikes on the road has just about tripppled... meaning the rate has actually gone DOWN... who are we to say... geee were only tax payers.....

So many idiots (read: car drivers) should have just been shot at birth....

Had an idiot this morning overtaking line of cars along greenhithe bridge..... just about caused at least 3 accidents... when the (pacific islander driver) had to stop because he could not fit through any more gaps.... gave him the "wanker" signal ......was a bit close to his car though.... ...yeah hes prob off to pick-a-part for a new antenna. Complete pillock.... i kept checking the power poles on my way back.... i was convinced he was going to get taken out....

[marty]

Ms Wells said 41 per cent of injury motorcycle crashes occurred in situations where drivers did not see the motorcycle.
In 75 per cent of the accidents the motorcyclists were not at fault.


thought this was pretty fair. they only missed out

'the other 25% were gixxer riders....'

[Max Preload]

Ms Wells said 41 per cent of injury motorcycle crashes occurred in situations where drivers did not see the motorcycle.
In 75 per cent of the accidents the motorcyclists were not at fault.

So 34% saw the motorcyclist, and crashed into them anyway. What a nation of munters.

[The Stranger:Me]

This sort of 'reporting' pisses me off. Who do they think causes the crashes? This is the problem with the so-called "no-fault" ACC system - the blame gets given to the wrong people.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/...ectid=10445028

This is the part that really pisses me off.

"Ms Wells said 41 per cent of injury motorcycle crashes occurred in situations where drivers did not see the motorcycle."

The closest calls I have had have been where the driver is looking right at me, I always check their eyes (where it is possible to see them) and they have pulled out anyway. Where I can't see their eyes I tend to expect the unexpected.

It has nothing to do with if the driver saw the bike or not, that is just a convenient excuse, no point in targetting that as that is not the cause of the problem.

[peasea]

I've recently been involved in an ACC funded motorcycle training film, which I believe is going to be given out free with Kiwi Rider. While it's off the beaten track for this thread (sorry)......I think it's great to see ACC making an effort.

Even if the posters save one life, or serious injury....it's worth it as far as I'm concerned.

Oh yeah......you can all have a good laff at me in the film.....we had to be ever so 'proper', and I was told off more times than I can remember for my use of 'colourful' language!

I've got a DVD entitled 'Motorcycling in New Zealand/Riding in Groups' and I think I got it from either the LTNZ site or ACC, I'm sure either will have it. This DVD was free and it's a positive thing; you're never too old to learn or brush up. (Yes, some of it's funny, watching everyone being so 'good' etc) At least these campaigns and DVD's are something, not nothing. Some of the comments here are quite valid and made by seemingly intelligent people with the best interests of motorcycling at heart, BUT, you're preaching to the converted. If you have something constructive to add to the LTNZ/ACC campaigns then tell them. I can pretty much gaurantee that 99% of the pen-pushers in those two organizations have never sat their arse on a motorcycle and as such have never experienced the things we experience on pretty much a daily basis.

What about a sensible thread of ideas to put to them. I'm happy to collate it and submit it. If you think you're idea might get mocked in the public arena, PM me; I'll mock you personally. In fact, I'll start it.

Seriously; if anyone can help bikers on the road, it's other bikers. Nobody else would understand, right?

[Grahameeboy]

Did you even read my letter? It's entirely about their choice of headline. Because it twists the tone of the whole article - and from reporters I've talked to, chances are Ms Binning is pissed about it.

Seriously, look at the angry responses it got on here initially. Why? Because of the tone set by the headline. If you read the article without the headline, it's neutral, pretty much a reworded ACC press release. With the headline? We're the dole bludgers of ACC.

Yes I did..........it was a good letter, not saying it wasn't.

No point getting angry with headline.....just accept it is Media hype.

[Grahameeboy]

So 34% saw the motorcyclist, and crashed into them anyway. What a nation of munters.

It is because they misjudge velocity.........it's how accidents happen.

[James Deuce]

Done repeatedly peasea.

Not about to go there again.