Crackdown on pavement parking in Akld.

[Marmoot]

Wahoo a red rep...

The simple fact that most main cities have a bylaw that states that parking on or obstruction of the footpath is a ticketable offence, allowing foot traffic (including those in wheel chairs) to easily pass or access doors and buildings etc and is usually at the discression of the parking warden. And Finally I will stuck to my orginal statement ... its a footpath...

However if the vehicle in question was parked in between two buildings or in a correct area or area designated for parking then question it with the parking authorities...

Your statement above confuses itself and the element contradicts each other.
First you emphasis on NOT parking on the footpath. Then you mention that we may since the parking warden usually has discression [sic] (discretion?). Then you went back and say it's a footpath, implying to us that we should NOT park there? And then proceeded to say "however" about several exceptions which I assume you deemed as should have been allowed and encouraged us to question the parking authorities regarding these?
In final words: are you implying that we should NOT park on the footpath, or that we SHOULD park on the footpath?
Either my understanding is poor or your statement is here simply for the sake of post, trolling and/or getting rep; especially considering that you do not currently park in Auckland regularly and hence not fully understanding the ugly reality of daily parking for motorcycles and the true background of this topic?

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Your statement above confuses itself and the element contradicts each other.
First you emphasis on NOT parking on the footpath. Then you mention that we may since the parking warden usually has discression [sic] (discretion?). Then you went back and say it's a footpath, implying to us that we should NOT park there? And then proceeded to say "however" about several exceptions which I assume you deemed as should have been allowed and encouraged us to question the parking authorities regarding these?
In final words: are you implying that we should NOT park on the footpath, or that we SHOULD park on the footpath?
Either my understanding is poor or your statement is here simply for the sake of post, trolling and/or getting rep; especially considering that you do not currently park in Auckland regularly and hence not fully understanding the ugly reality of daily parking for motorcycles and the true background of this topic?

Wake up and smell the coffee... what makes bikers so special that they want to have everything different from every one else, from speeding to parking on the footpath... its a footpath not a bike path or park or bikelane, its used for foot traffic, its the one place pedestrians can call their own and not have to worry about idiots on the road or bikes... it is the pedestrians domain

However if the vehicle in question was parked in between two buildings or in a correct area or area designated for parking then question it with the parking authorities...

Those are not exceptions... as stated, between two buildings is not classed as the footpath; its an allyway and not obstructing general foot traffic, and as for the designated parking... well what it says, is what it is... Designated parking...

All major cities in NZ and the world have the same issues of parking and not enough of it and being ticketed and generating income for the city to pay for your new stadium, I use to live in Auckland and commuted regularly, I know what its like...

As for the discretion of the parking warden... same as the discretion of the cop that either gives you a speeding ticket or lets you off with a warning...
I haven't once implied that we should park on the foot path... its a foot path

[Marmoot]

Wake up and smell the coffee... what makes bikers so special that they want to have everything different from every one else, from speeding to parking on the footpath... its a footpath not a bike path or park or bikelane, its used for foot traffic, its the one place pedestrians can call their own and not have to worry about idiots on the road or bikes... it is the pedestrians domain

I agree on the moot point of wanting to have everything different.
Maybe we should start to properly park on the parking spots instead. One bike to a spot, properly spaced, with proper paid parking chits.
See how long before some cars start to try to squeeze in.
Better yet, open a bet to see how long until a bike is nudged and crushed.

Those are not exceptions... as stated, between two buildings is not classed as the footpath; its an allyway and not obstructing general foot traffic, and as for the designated parking... well what it says, is what it is... Designated parking...

Although I agree with this post, I failed to see where it was stated as "not classed as the footpath" in your previous post.
In addition, the usage of "however" implies a connection with the previous sentence, which in this case talked about footpath. Due to this, it was assumed that the main part of the sentence (space between two buildings) relate to being a footpath. Perhaps a clearer picture should have been made in the prior post. However, now that the issue is clear your point is more acceptable.

As for the discretion of the parking warden... same as the discretion of the cop that either gives you a speeding ticket or lets you off with a warning...
I haven't once implied that we should park on the foot path... its a foot path

Yes, you did not imply that we should park on the foot path. However, stating, that footpath is a footpath and mentioning that wardens have discretionary powers implies that in some cases it MAY be allowable to park on the footpath; something which is totally contradictory to your first post re: we should NOT park on the footpath.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

I agree on the moot point of wanting to have everything different.
Maybe we should start to properly park on the parking spots instead. One bike to a spot, properly spaced, with proper paid parking chits.
See how long before some cars start to try to squeeze in.
Better yet, open a bet to see how long until a bike is nudged and crushed.

Make sure you are fully insured

Although I agree with this post, I failed to see where it was stated as "not classed as the footpath" in your previous post.
In addition, the usage of "however" implies a connection with the previous sentence, which in this case talked about footpath. Due to this, it was assumed that the main part of the sentence (space between two buildings) relate to being a footpath. Perhaps a clearer picture should have been made in the prior post. However, now that the issue is clear your point is more acceptable.

Below what he said...

Bear in mind also, that the LEGAL footpath is often a lot less than the width of the apparent footpath, because the bit next to the buildings is often the property of the building owener (the buildings have to be set back to allow for butresses, stairs etc). So parking in between "building bits" is NOT on the footpath

Yes, you did not imply that we should park on the foot path. However, stating, that footpath is a footpath and mentioning that wardens have discretionary powers implies that in some cases it MAY be allowable to park on the footpath; something which is totally contradictory to your first post re: we should NOT park on the footpath.

ummm no it doesn't just because you get let off doesn't mean keep doing it... If the warden wants to turn a blind eye thats up to him... maybe he's a biker himself.

[Marmoot]

Make sure you are fully insured

hear hear
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[klingon]

And may I add...

Please dispute all tickets for parking on the footpath where you were not obstructing people going about their everyday business.

I think it's atrocious that cafes and shops can use the footpaths as an extension of their premises (to make a profit) but bikes are not allowed to park there even if we are considerate to pedestrians.

Please note: I'm not complaining about cafes having their seating on the footpath - I love to sit outside in my designer sunnies to be seen sipping my latte as much as the next Aucklander - but it just seems ironic that they can use the footpath for commercial gain and we can't use it as ordinary citizens.

[Ixion]

This is probably a bit of an "Auckland" thing. Y'need to realise that noone is proposing that bikes park on the pathway used by pedestrians.

But in Auckland over the last few years the planners have gone hog wild on expanding "footpaths" until they're huge. Not just a strip for pedestrians to walk down. And they have all sorts of other stuff on them, like things to secure bicycles to etc. And all sorts of dead ends, recesses, lots and lots of bits put there for "aesthetic" reasons , where pedestrians never go . They're a totally different concept to the footpaths in suburbs, or what we had 20 years ago. So I think the mind picture that folk in other places have of what we are talking about may be somewhat misleading.

As to "what makes bikers so special that they want to have everything different from every one else" - we don't. We just want equal dealing. Auckland has a shitload of parking designed to be suitable for cars. Bugger all for bikes. Much much less than there was 40 years ago. So either bikes need to behave as if they were cars (never a good idea) and park in a car space : which then absolutely infuriates car drivers who (justifiably) see it as a waste of parking space : or park somewhere else. And the only "somewhere else" is what is technically footpath.

After all , there are only three options : dedicated bike parks , bugger all of them for the number of bikes; park in a car parking bay, and have someone either knock y'bike over or haul it onto the footpath anyway (absolutely guaranteed that one ) ; or park on the footpath.

So the council need to either sort out dedicated bike aprking, or back off on the footpath thing , where it's not obstructing anything.

[BMW]

Y'know, maybe it's time that we did summat about this. Maybe organising something in conjunction with BRONZ such as a meeting between a biker deputation and the Council to discuss this, rather than just bleating.
Melbourne bikers are allowed to park on the footpaths and odd out-of-the-way places, and Sydneyites are OK as long as where they park doesn't obstruct pedestrian or vehicular access.

I know we're talking municipal bureaucrats here, and they're not know for being pragmatic or commonsensical, but it's worth a shot.

agreed! it would save traffic woes if bikers were allowed to park all around the place.

[avgas]

... its a footpath...

Sure, and queen mary is a hospital some bloody student is drinkn where i was born...bastards
Actually have to disagree a bit here. One thing that comes to mind - do you now realise that half of Queen st is now footpaths?
Here is an example of what might happen, imagine going home, pulling up in front of your door (out of the access way obviously), going inside, only to come back out and your bike has a ticket on it. Alot of us are poor and can't get a car park while we live in shoe box apartments......

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Here is an example of what might happen, imagine going home, pulling up in front of your door (out of the access way obviously), going inside, only to come back out and your bike has a ticket on it. Alot of us are poor and can't get a car park while we live in shoe box apartments......

I have that problem here... the joys of living in a inner city flat..

[avgas]

I have that problem here... the joys of living in a inner city flat..

But do you get ticketed for parking outsider your apartment building?

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

But do you get ticketed for parking outsider your apartment building?

yes I most likely would get one... (i have just been lucky That its not parked there for long and can park round the back)

[rwh]

I have that problem here... the joys of living in a inner city flat..

I always figured that the idea of inner city flats is that you don't need transport because you're close to where you're going ... and that they're not really ideal for those who frequently have other places they want to go. This is (one of the reasons) why I don't live in one.

Richard

[Swoop]

And may I add...

Do not forget all those sign-thinggamys, that get placed on the footpaths. Bloody nuisance they are.

[Squiggles]

If they gave us more parking around the city then there'd be no problem, but they havent. They gave us nearly the same amount as we had before around uni, but come february next year there will be no room and bikes will just have to park on the footpaths or in carparks...

Does the rubbish bin not interfere with foot traffic more than the bike in the attached pic (he got a ticket) At a guesstimate the nearest bike part is the best part of a k away and full on a nice day