Cheesecutter campaign

[sAsLEX]

I made an interesting observation today, one which most in Auckland would see rather often.

One of the main reasons they claim concrete barriers are not used is that they are too wide and that WRB are more easily placed in areas with little room such as on single laned roads.


Well the Harbour Bridge uses its moving barrier, which is concrete, and this sits where the lane separating white line normally sits.


To wide my arse.

[WelshWizard]

update on the videos posted about earlier

RF Mc-Research

Transport for London's motorcycle safety video

I thought it was my computer's fault that the Guardian
video didn't work.
But it wasn't.
Sorry!

Here are URLs for a copy of the video that does still
work:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xW-V...econd-thought/
http://toutlebuzz.com/divers/give-mo...econd-thought/

[TOTO]

When is the next Cheesecutter protest ride ????

I wanna do it. We should do one every week if you ask me. Once on saturday and next week on sunday. gotta get this thing going. Whats going on ?

When is the next protest ride ?

[WelshWizard]

When is the next Cheesecutter protest ride ????

I wanna do it. We should do one every week if you ask me. Once on saturday and next week on sunday. gotta get this thing going. Whats going on ?

When is the next protest ride ?

I think we need to get the guys and gals who orginised the other runs to get a prostest ride together again, but this time
why don't we go for a bigger format,

just an idea

for Auckland
Get riders to meet at Warkworth and ride down to Auckland andt riders to meet in Hamilton and ride up to Auckland to try and arrive at the same time at the Domian

For Wellington get people to meet up some where out east and at another point out west to arrive at a meeting point in Wellington at the same time

Some thing similar for Christchurch, but there would be meet North and West and south and West

Could do the same in Dunedin

main thing about the proposed run is

Same day , same time, and make the ride longer so more people will take notice, and any one with vans to have posters up on the sides with pictures of the carnage WRB's cause to Cars, Lorries and Motorcycles

Just a thought but any one up for it?

And any more ideas about how it should be done?

[henry]

I have been thinking about this quite a bit lately. In San Francisco (and other cities) the bicycle crowd do a thing called Critical Mass.

Basically a shit load of cyclists turn up and slowly ride through the city. They don't stop for anything and it fucks the city up for a couple of hours because of all the blocked intersections. They do it once a month.

Not sure we could get enough bikes out to cause major carnage, though judging by the number of bikes out on Sunday, maybe we could.

It would be worth a go though. Nothing like a traffic jams to get peoples attention.

[sunhuntin]

with enough warning, im up for pretty much any protest ride. id do wellington again in the blink of an eye.

id be a keen starter from wanganui to bring any from the naki down, meeting with riders from palmy/foxton or levin/otaki etc. not up to being lead rider or anything, but yeh. any from the naki who want to ride with me are more than welcome, same goes for any one else. im guessing taupo and surrounding might be heading north, or have another way to go south.

i can again put word out to the local triumph club that theres another ride, and i can maybe print off slips to hand out to local riders through work.

if anyone comes up with a date, let me know, and ill start another thread in the meetings and events appealing for nearby riders to join up.

[WelshWizard]

Cheers Sunhuntin, they main thing with any ride we now get going is unless it bigger and makes more impact than any before LTNZ will see it as a win for them as they will think the Motorcycle comunity is appathetic and any issue they have if the ignore it long enough it will go away.
So the more ideas on how to get this thing together and make it work big time the better.

[Quasievil]

Im In, nothing like civil disruption to get things working

[sunhuntin]

as evidenced by the taupo run, weekdays wont really get much attendance even though it would be better for getting attention [wellington motorway at rush hour, with a couple of thousand of us riding at the cheese cutter "safe" speed of say 50k or thereabouts. since 70k will see us lose a limb upon impact, any speed below that could be viewed as safe]

vans etc are also a good suggestion. what a truck with a freight container on the back covered with HUGE banners on the sides and back? maybe a truck cab with a loud speaker piping out [via a recording] the reason behind the ride. said truck could have red tape around the impact points. or maybe have a tow truck with a recently converted family car [could be done with a chain saw or something, since an actual cheese cut car might be hard to obtain] maybe have life sized dummies in the front seat colored red. could paint "this could be you" on the doors.

[WelshWizard]

as evidenced by the taupo run, weekdays wont really get much attendance even though it would be better for getting attention [wellington motorway at rush hour, with a couple of thousand of us riding at the cheese cutter "safe" speed of say 50k or thereabouts. since 70k will see us lose a limb upon impact, any speed below that could be viewed as safe]

vans etc are also a good suggestion. what a truck with a freight container on the back covered with HUGE banners on the sides and back? maybe a truck cab with a loud speaker piping out [via a recording] the reason behind the ride. said truck could have red tape around the impact points. or maybe have a tow truck with a recently converted family car [could be done with a chain saw or something, since an actual cheese cut car might be hard to obtain] maybe have life sized dummies in the front seat colored red. could paint "this could be you" on the doors.

Only thing with 50 is it means no motorway as min legal speed is 80, how ever not sure if there is a legal min on open roads other than motorways, one of the police riders who post on KB could easily answer that though, and I know that there are police motorcyclist out there who hate WRB's but can't do much about it as their hands are tied.

[Ixion]

Nope, no specific minimum speed on motorways. Not sure where this urban myth came from.

If you are too slow, cops can book you for inconsiderate driving and such like. But there's no minimum speed. otherwise half the population of Auckland would be breaking the law each day.

There *is* a provision for minimum speed limits in the rules, but no roads have ever been gazetted for a minimum speed. And even then there were exclusions covering "when the minimum would not be safe".

Which pretty much covers our situation. If the maximum safe speed on a given road is 50kph (and that's what Transit's National Safety Manager is saying, and whoa re we to argue with him? ), it would be unwise and even illegal to ride faster. Ride to the coniditons. When they change slow down. Right ?

[sunhuntin]

wellingtons coastal highway has a max posted speed of 80k. ixion... would a cop be able to book a group of several thousand for riding too slow? on rethinking, i think we need to strike BEFORE rush hour... i mean, lets face it, once rush hour starts, everything grinds to a standstill anyways. so if we start before that, we can make the stand still start earlier than normal. otherwise, wed just be a huge group of bikes unable to move while very quickly overheating our scoots.

[WelshWizard]

wellingtons coastal highway has a max posted speed of 80k. ixion... would a cop be able to book a group of several thousand for riding too slow? on rethinking, i think we need to strike BEFORE rush hour... i mean, lets face it, once rush hour starts, everything grinds to a standstill anyways. so if we start before that, we can make the stand still start earlier than normal. otherwise, wed just be a huge group of bikes unable to move while very quickly overheating our scoots.

Best on a Sat or Sunday more people not at work so as put forward by

I'm in for another run - sunday afternoon through a populated place with pillions dropping off phamphlets.

The cafe roads would be good.

seems logical to get more than just a ride in if we are handing out leaflets it may get more over to other road users if the leaflets target Car and van drivers ect

[Ixion]

wellingtons coastal highway has a max posted speed of 80k. ixion... would a cop be able to book a group of several thousand for riding too slow? on rethinking, i think we need to strike BEFORE rush hour... i mean, lets face it, once rush hour starts, everything grinds to a standstill anyways. so if we start before that, we can make the stand still start earlier than normal. otherwise, wed just be a huge group of bikes unable to move while very quickly overheating our scoots.

I doubt that a cop could issue tickets for riding at 50kph. And, in my obervation a LOT of traffic on the motorways only travels at 60-70 anyway.

But, a cop COULD instruct the group to leave the motorway forthwith. Or, if he got to you before entering the motorway, forbid you to enter it. So you'd need to get it done before they showed up . And that means a fair degree of secrecy as to time and place.

[sunhuntin]

I doubt that a cop could issue tickets for riding at 50kph. And, in my obervation a LOT of traffic on the motorways only travels at 60-70 anyway.

But, a cop COULD instruct the group to leave the motorway forthwith. Or, if he got to you before entering the motorway, forbid you to enter it. So you'd need to get it done before they showed up . And that means a fair degree of secrecy as to time and place.

ok... i wonder if we could somehow enlist their assistance? work with them instead of against. what about medics/ambos who have witnessed/cleaned up cheesecutter impacts? get them to speak about the effect the injuries and deaths have left on them?