Cheesecutter campaign

[Mom]

My view on the matter.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=76883

We have heard your views, endlessly. Personally I am sick to death of them around the WRB issue. At risk of an infraction Steve...Fuck Off!

You may not give a shit about these things, some of us do. Some of us will do what we can to get some safer solution for bikers and other road users. Your constant griping around the "message" some bikers bring to the public eye does nothing to improve our chances of getting something done to ensure no more of these Un-safe barriers installed.

You are either for them or against them as far as I am concerned. If for them, fine. Say so and stand your ground. If against them do the same.

You have signed the petition asking for a full safety review.

Do not blur what some are trying to do by confusing the WRB safety issue with your campaign to get bikers to improve their image. These are 2 seperate issues!

[Mom]

G4E, I'm still here, I'm still passionate about making these things safer for all of us, I'm still willing to do my bit, I'm still adding signatures to the petition, and I'm still willing to ride to Welly, stop traffic, speak to Ministers and do what ever is necessary.
I am NOT willing to accept second rate safety barriers because "they" think that is all I am worth!

Where is he then? Sitting on his dial up connection complaining...

[yungatart]

Nah, he's a good bloke is our G4E. One of the best...but frustrated at the length of time this is taking, and the lack of action.
Me too, TBH, but, he's a man...and trhey don't really do patience!

[Gixxer 4 ever]

I have the petition at the moment mate, read the forum!

What the fuck happened is that a bunch of people gave a shit load of time they did not have to spare to get the initial campaign started. I gave a shit load of time and money to the cause a few months ago. I am resting atm. Though, an email and phone call today means I am sort of onto it!

BRONZ have supported (I think) our campaign, their name is on www.cheesecutter.co.nz as supporting it. They do what they can as we all do.




What special group? When were we told to back off? Where did this Christmas deadline come from?

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I was not having a go at you in anyway. I worked on the Hawkes Bay organizing group with MSTR and Tart. I am trying to get some people interested but I have a feeling that most people are over it, and or, not wanting to work on it any more. I pulled out after the poor turn out in Taupo and got despondent. I did the Wellington and Taupo rides because I wanted to make a difference. We don’t have these things in the Hawkes Bay, yet, but we pushed hard to get people to make a difference and come to the rides. I don’t have the answer but just maybe people don’t care. You put a lot in and thank you for that. Don’t take my rant as an attack on your input. I drop in here from time to time to see what is going on. My posting was to inspire people to start a revisit of the issue. I have spoken to a lot of bike riders about this in the last year and many agree with our opinion, but few would ride to protest.

How many names on the petition? How many do we need?
Why can't BRONZ make a difference?

We were out on a K/B ride and MSTRS told us he had been asked to join a special group in K/B to work on this. We were told to wait and see what came up. Not to fractionate the plans and wait. Now maybe this group tried to do something but nothing came of it. But we were not told who or what the result was. We looked at starting a BRONZ group here in the Hawkes Bay but after seeing how they worked we decided not to. Mary remembers the discussion and thinks it was on a K/B ride. Can you fill in the gaps John? I will ask W when I see him over the weekend and see if we can work out when it was. But it was after the Taupo ride. Some of us were really pist at the way we were treated by the conference people at that meeting. I will PM Wasp27 and see what recollection he has on this.

[Gixxer 4 ever]

Where is he then? Sitting on his dial up connection complaining...

Yea good on ya. Good luck……..

[Katman]

At risk of an infraction Steve...Fuck Off!

Don't be scared of infractions Anne.

[Mom]

what you said

Well there you have it. A phone call to MSTRS and yungatart would have put you a bit more in the picture before you launched your "what is happening" post.

We have yet again another opportunity to do something. A truck crossed the WRB in Auckland today taking out an innocent motorist.

I am not about to leap on my bike and ride to Wellington because it happened. Perhaps you might like to join us and write a little message to our new Transport Minister instead of bitching on here about what is not happening! Or heaven forbid, come up with some idea of how we can put this campaign together as a cohesive unit.

Sorry I am grumpy tonight, and have not taken kindly to you coming on here with no knowledge of the work/time/energy/money that has gone into this, and complaining.

[Mom]

Yea good on ya. Good luck……..

NO mate, good for you. When you have all decided where I should send the petition for the next push let me know...I am out!

[Gixxer 4 ever]

NO mate, good for you. When you have all decided where I should send the petition for the next push let me know...I am out!

How many names do we have?

Sorry I am grumpy tonight, and have not taken kindly to you coming on here with no knowledge of the work/time/energy/money that has gone into this, and complaining. !

I was trying to get up to speed and, as I said above, trying in my own way to stimulate discussion. I will retire to my own part of K/B and I am sure MSTRS and Tart will let me know when you need more of my help.

[MSTRS:Me]

My posting was to inspire people to start a revisit of the issue. I have spoken to a lot of bike riders about this in the last year and many agree with our opinion, but few would ride to protest.

That is precisely the problem. I have spoken personally with hundreds of people from all walks of life. Almost without exception, none of them think this sort of barrier is a good thing. They all admit to being intimidated when driving in their vicinity. With the exception of a certain semi-illiterate Hastings rider, there isn't a biker I know of in this region that supports these barriers.
9 years of being ignored and having unwanted policies foisted on us has worked it's magic of increasing apathy...you know how it goes..."Why bother - They aren't interested".
It will take another death (or 2) to get people off their arses. I've said this before. It will happen, given time. However, I am not volunteering for this 'honour'. And I doubt that anyone else will, or believe it could happen to them.
Those of us who are passionate about this subject need to keep up with our efforts of informing the public about the danger of this shit, and writing to MPs etc.
When the next death occurs we will be in a better position to 'use' that.

[WelshWizard]

I noticed that the Accident was on the news most of the day, but come 6 pm it vanished, one has to ask why?

[Mom]

I noticed that the Accident was on the news most of the day, but come 6 pm it vanished, one has to ask why?

A cynical man I see

[WelshWizard]

A cynical man I see

Naturally, of course I am.

[MSTRS:Me]

I noticed that the Accident was on the news most of the day, but come 6 pm it vanished, one has to ask why?

I only learned of it from a single brief report on TheRock news at 8am.
Yet we are regaled for a week with things like Heilen Klerke tripping over in a cafe.
Much more important, eh?

[WelshWizard]

I only learned of it from a single brief report on TheRock news at 8am.
Yet we are regaled for a week with things like Heilen Klerke tripping over in a cafe.
Much more important, eh?

One has to asked was there presure on TV3 to be quiet about it