Why the WRB campaign is going nowhere.

[Katman]

Until such time as motorcyclists as a whole accept that the greatest danger to our own safety comes, in fact, from our own attitudes and actions and not from cheesecutters, cagers or ginga coppers nothing is likely to change.

To fix a problem you must ultimately confront the base problem.

[White trash]

Katman, I surely admire your tenacity. No one on here repeatedly puts themself forward for the beating you clearly relish.

You da man.

You're a bit like those anti speeding campaign ads.

[yungatart]

Mate, you have no idea how the cheesecutter campaign is going.

Let me tell you, as one of the organisers of one of the "rescue helicopter fundraising and CC awareness rides" over the weekend, this thing is HUGE and about to get even bigger!

We all knew from the start that this would be a long campaign and appear to be going nowhere at times. We also knew that we had to commit for the long haul. Some of us were able to do that...we are slowly but surely getting results. Trust me on this!

[MSTRS:Me]

here we fckn go again

Aint that the truth?
If you are not 'with us' then get the fuck out of the way.

[Sanx]

Katman, I surely admire your tenacity. No one on here repeatedly puts themself forward for the beating you clearly deserve.

Fixed your post for you, dude.

[Katman]

If you are not 'with us' then get the fuck out of the way.

See, that's half the problem. You don't even have the support of all motorcyclists.

Believe me - I'm not the only motorcyclist to have this opinion.

[BigG]

Well its hit the headlines on the news and the radio, it's big allright and it hasn't fallen on deff ears by the sounds of what I read.
When you come off its what you hit Kills you most times not the fall and I shure as hell wouldn't want to get decapatated by those wire ropes.

[skidMark]

See, that's half the problem. You don't even have the support of all motorcyclists.

Believe me - I'm not the only motorcyclist to have this opinion.

Indeed you are not the only one.

The radio conversations with car drivers on newstalk ZB saying about what motorcylists do etc.

I am in full support of getting them banned, and full support of your persistance to get motorcyclists to clean up thier image Katman.

But.

It does not take very long to leave a bad impression. It takes a very very long time to change that impression and what is now a stereotype.

Good on ya Katman.

But those not in support of the campaign are the very bikers who are the hoons holding the campaign back from going "hey, as motorcyclists we deserve to be as safe as any other road user"

We can't do that when the very people tarnishing motorcycling are those that are not in support of the campaign.

I will leave it at that for now.

Skid.

[MSTRS:Me]

Doesn't take half a brain to figure out what is an unsafe and short-sighted so-called 'safety' system.
The problem with that is there are a lot of people out there who fail to display even that much cranial capacity.

[skidMark]

Doesn't take half a brain to figure out what is an unsafe and short-sighted so-called 'safety' system.
The problem with that is there are a lot of people out there who fail to display even that much cranial capacity.

Too busy riding like idiots, because they are to busy holding onto thier small head they think with. going ooo ooo look at me i can ride fast.

When in the meantime you are really pissing people off.

I realised something about riding, would i do such and such overttake / lane splitting etc, if a cop was there...

If my mother was in one of the cars/grandmother/father/sister.

Because i know none of those listed above would think i was cool and "riding well"

Thats what racetracks are for.

I'm glad i woke up.

It's a shame a well raised, very polite, very responsible friend of mine was the one to loose his life to a cheesecutter, i have plenty more deserving riders of having this happen to them, but i would not wish that end to my worst enemy.

There are alot of riders out there that were more deserving of this end.

I used to be one of those riders.

Only the good die young.

[Mom]

Yes and I believe that there will be a further piece in tomorrows Herald too having just got off the phone for about the 3rd time this afternoon with the reporter.

As far as this comment goes "See, that's half the problem. You don't even have the support of all motorcyclists" I did not realise we actually needed it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion about this or any issue.

Stop trolling Katman, no one is asking for your support though if I am not mistaken you attended a protest in Taupo against them not so long ago.

[madandy]

Until such time as motorcyclists as a whole accept that the greatest danger to our own safety comes, in fact, from our own attitudes and actions and not from cheesecutters, cagers or ginga coppers nothing is likely to change.

To fix a problem you must ultimately confront the base problem.

Ride as well as you like.
Sometimes shit happens and people may be killed, not due to their poor riding but by another road user and the fact a WRB was in place of a smooth concrete barrier.

Even if some naughty motorcyclist causes their own demise by loosing control and impacting a median barrier, does their action deserve death and or dismemberment by WRB?!

Serious carnage can, and has been suffered by 4 wheeled vehicles too.

I do not bebelive we should withhold our support of the Cheesecutter campaign, Katman just because we beleive others need to tone down their riding habits.

For me the two are separate issues and we should not allow the potential carnage that can be caused by WRB to exist any longer than necessary.

[Katman]

if I am not mistaken you attended a protest in Taupo against them not so long ago.

Do you truely think I am for the WRBs?????

What I'm suggesting is that there is a bigger problem that needs to be confronted and when that happens, and duly addressed, everything else will fall into place of it's on accord.

[MSTRS:Me]

...I'm glad i woke up....

So are we. Well done on your new-found sense of responsibility and maturity.

Stop trolling Katman, no one is asking for your support though if I am not mistaken you attended a protest in Taupo against them not so long ago.

No-one ever asked directly for anyone's support. It is understood by a great many that certain things are obvious, and that those who fail to 'understand' will do so eventually. He did indeed attend the Taupo gathering and told me at the time he didn't support our cause. When I asked why he bothered turning up, I got no answer.

[Pussy]

I'm not trolling, or trying to discredit anyone, but I wholeheartedly support Katman's efforts to get motorcyclists to clean up their image