The smell of bacon is fresh...

**jrandom** · 9th November 2007, 10:58

I should note that insurance policies generally cannot be taken out over a vehicle unless its registered ownership is in the policy owner's name, so Disco will probably require a little assistance with a few things once he has his licence sorted. Along the lines of being a named rider on the 'owner's' policy, or getting an 'any licenced rider' policy in someone else's name, etc.

Do you have all this lined up yet, D?

**Disco Dan** · 9th November 2007, 11:00

Originally Posted by Tank

If you had access to the ZX11 from now you could have put it in storage and used public transport for the three months until you were legal.

Again the risk vs reward of riding uninsured is not worth it IMHO (esp if you cannot afford to pay for any damage to the other persons stuff)

There are always options - I lost my licence for 6 months and managed to cope on public transport etc. Its a pain but can be done - if you are willing to make the effort.

ps - Licence loss was due to medical reasons while they worked out what they thought was wrong with my eyes, not anything to do with my riding.

I understand what you are saying and even agree from one angle anyway.

However the 'line in the sand' is in different places for each person... I am prepared to take such a risk. Again if you was aware of the situation I am in I am sure you would do the same. FYI - if I had 'picked the bike' and not ridden it? Well it would have been on trademe a long time ago. Not an outcome I wanted.

**Disco Dan** · 9th November 2007, 11:01

Originally Posted by jrandom

I should note that insurance policies generally cannot be taken out over a vehicle unless its registered ownership is in the policy owner's name, so Disco will probably require a little assistance with a few things once he has his licence sorted. Along the lines of being a named rider on the 'owner's' policy, or getting an 'any licenced rider' policy in someone else's name, etc.

Do you have all this lined up yet, D?

Oh yes, the paper work as been ready to get me on the insurance policy ever since I began riding the bike. I have even been paying the insurance premiums!!!

**Ixion** · 9th November 2007, 11:02

If all riders on bikes larger than their licence conditions permit were banned, I'd see very few bikes on the road.

Still cant get over how quick those bikes can move!! What are they?

BMW R1200.

When I told the officer I was able to apply for my license this month he told me, by writing me a ticket it would extend the license period.... good policing if you ask me, at least now i'll be 'legal' quicker.

The ignorance of the plod never fails to astound me. A ticket does not affect the licence period, and that has not been the law for many years. Mr Plod is seriously out of date, though in this case it may have worked for you

(Insurance)
Waste of breath - it's like me trying to tell 18 year olds to wear their seatbelt.

They must just KNOW they're never going to need the two above items.

I've needed neither in near 50 years. Nor a helmet either.

Action: Cop impounds bike or makes him wait for 2hrs while a properly licenced rider turns up and also fines him $700.00

Yup. I think most here would agree that that's what the cop should have done.

On what grounds? Mr DD had committed no offence for which the law allows impoundment. He was not disqualified. Nor driving when forbidden. Nor could he be forbidden to drive. He holds a licence of the appropriate class. The 250 restriction is a conditionof the licence, not a different licence class Same as having to wear corrective lenses .Nor is Mr DD a recidivist drink driver. Nor from the sound of it was his speeding sufficient to justify a 28 day suspension. And even it was , the cop would have been hard pressed to establish it, since he was coming the other way and cop bikes do not have radar.

There appears to be a common misconception that the police may impound vehicles at will. They cannot. The law is quite clear about when this is permitted.

And I DO wish that Pommy import cops would make at least some effort to familiarise themselves with OUR laws, and accept that they are not always the same as those 'back home'.

As to the rego and WoF. It is easy for the weekend warriors whose motorcycling is restricted to fine Sundays to take a holier than thou position on such matters. Mr DD's bike is his only transport. He rides it every day.He cannot say "Oh my WoF has expired, I will not take the bike out" . Fitting in time for a WoF is not always such an easy matter.

**Disco Dan** · 9th November 2007, 11:02

Anyhooo... im off to go put a WOF on the beast now....

**Jimmy B** · 9th November 2007, 11:10

Originally Posted by Ixion

If all riders on bikes larger than their licence conditions permit were banned, I'd see very few bikes on the road.

As to the rego and WoF. It is easy for the weekend warriors whose motorcycling is restricted to fine Sundays to take a holier than thou position on such matters. Mr DD's bike is his only transport. He rides it every day.He cannot say "Oh my WoF has expired, I will not take the bike out" . Fitting in time for a WoF is not always such an easy matter.

Ixion, they are banned but people still do it and we wonder why there are so many 1 bike fatals.

I rely on my bike as sole transport too, rain or shine. I make the time

**scumdog** · 9th November 2007, 11:15

Originally Posted by Ixion

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As to the rego and WoF. It is easy for the weekend warriors whose motorcycling is restricted to fine Sundays to take a holier than thou position on such matters. Mr DD's bike is his only transport. He rides it every day.He cannot say "Oh my WoF has expired, I will not take the bike out" . Fitting in time for a WoF is not always such an easy matter.

That's the walliest cop-out for not having a WOF - sure, we ALL run out of time but it's not like the WOF stays hidden until the last day and then pops up with a flag saying 'EXPIRED'.

However, I doubt too many people have got a ticket they have had to pay for if stiopped by a cop and the WOF is only 28 dyas or less out of date, they would likely get 'compliance' on it.

A bit like being on a restricted Licence and breaching the conditions of it in some way - again the cop (if he's nice and judging by KB that's not often) MAY give 'compliance' IF the person on their 'R' licence is all set to do their Full - and does it within 28 days.

**jrandom** · 9th November 2007, 11:16

Originally Posted by Jimmy B

Ixion, they are banned but people still do it and we wonder why there are so many 1 bike fatals.

Is it really the case that a significant proportion of fatal single-bike crashes happen to people riding big bikes while still on their learner or restricted licence conditions?

Personally, I would not expect to see a statistically significant difference. If, say, 5% of the > 250cc bikes out there are being ridden by riders without full licences, I would simply expect to see 5% of the fatal single-vehicle crashes of > 250cc bikes involving such riders.

**jrandom** · 9th November 2007, 11:18

Originally Posted by scumdog

... the cop (if he's nice and judging by KB that's not often) MAY give 'compliance' IF the person on their 'R' licence is all set to do their Full - and does it within 28 days.

In such situations, I would expect the cop to issue the relevant ticket, and then I would expect it to be waived upon application if the rider passed their test within a month. Seems fair to me, much like the tickets for WOF/rego that get waived upon showing that said WOF or rego was procured immediately thereafter.

**scumdog** · 9th November 2007, 11:22

Originally Posted by jrandom

In such situations, I would expect the cop to issue the relevant ticket, and then I would expect it to be waived upon application if the rider passed their test within a month. Seems fair to me, much like the tickets for WOF/rego that get waived upon showing that said WOF or rego was procured immediately thereafter.

THAT is what I meant by 'compliance'

"Get your full licence within 28 days, present it and the ticket I've just given you at any cop-shop and they'll take the ticket off you and there's no penalty, d'ya understand?"

HOWEVER: Never count on compliance as a 'given' - it's up to the cop that's dealing with you whether you get it or not.
(And trust me, plenty of idiots have 'talked' their way out of getting compliance.)

**Jimmy B** · 9th November 2007, 11:22

Originally Posted by jrandom

Is it really the case that a significant proportion of fatal single-bike crashes happen to people riding big bikes while still on their learner or restricted licence conditions?

Personally, I would not expect to see a statistically significant difference. If, say, 5% of the > 250cc bikes out there are being ridden by riders without full licences, I would simply expect to see 5% of the fatal single-vehicle crashes of > 250cc bikes involving such riders.

Look I dont know mate but it would be good to dig deeper. I suspect most people crap out in their first 12 months or 10,000k's, how many of these are fatals I dont know.

Intuitively a newish rider on what was once the world’s fastest production bike does not sit well with me, but then again I know shit. Each to their own aye

**Toast** · 9th November 2007, 11:22

I'd have thought that after receiving such luck from a nice officer that you wouldn't want to post it on a public forum and open up the possibility of some narrow minded supervisor seeing it, getting pissed off, and then raising quotas so that the front line cops absolutely have to ticket unlawful but otherwise sensible and harmless drivers/riders. Nice one

**jrandom** · 9th November 2007, 11:27

Originally Posted by Jimmy B

Intuitively a newish rider on what was once the world’s fastest production bike does not sit well with me, but then again I know shit. Each to their own aye

Absolutely agreed. Disco seems to have the reputation of being a relatively safe, cautious and mature rider, though, so taking all things into consideration, it's not as bad as it could be.

There are certainly gentlemen on this forum riding on learner or restricted licences for whom being given the keys to a ZZR1100 would be tantamount to homicide.

**Astrocat** · 9th November 2007, 11:32

Have you got the WOF and Rego yet?

**Tank** · 9th November 2007, 11:34

Originally Posted by Disco Dan

I understand what you are saying and even agree from one angle anyway.

However the 'line in the sand' is in different places for each person... I am prepared to take such a risk. Again if you was aware of the situation I am in I am sure you would do the same. FYI - if I had 'picked the bike' and not ridden it? Well it would have been on trademe a long time ago. Not an outcome I wanted.

I think we can see where each other is coming from.

Obv - I have no idea of your personal situation. It dosn't sound ideal and I hope that it works out for you soon.