Who's the tosser running from the cops on TV3? (10 November)

[westie]

Good perspective bro.(RT527)
I'm a little bit of a hipocrite but I definatelty agree.

[Genestho]

Interesting thread, I guess the rider wont be coming forward in this thread?!

agreed to that last statement... what about the rights of the victims, the rights of the crims are shitting (scuse my language Im a little wound up today after reading two more deaths to drink driving over weekend!!) their consequences all over this country. Without rehashing many headlines over this last year - The NZ way is a namby pamby joke!
There are no rights for victims, and no true consequences!
Our justice system sucks!!
Someone said something about Helen Clarkes Paradise City - aint that the truth!?
Ahem thanks for the blow out - Anyway Ill let you all get back onto topic...

[scrivy]

Love ya sig line TGW!! So true. And you did!!

[Patrick]

So what would you suggest? Im not saying I disagree just that fining someone does not work either. We all know how easy it is to get away with thousands of dollars worth of fines...

They don't go away though... watch this space...

Murder is not even close to doing 141kmh so why would both need to have you being arrested , you seem to lack balance .
btw chris kahui seems to have a bit of freedom considering the crime , lucky for him he wasnt speeding

No one gets locked up for doing 141... or are you talking about 141 in a 50 zone?

To the moderators that I chose to vent my spleen at the other night I unreservedly apologise.

To those on here that think that the loss of innocent lives on our roads should just be seen as 'collateral damage', I would question your sense of ethics.

You put me into your "lack of ethic" basket...( a nicer way of putting it, now...!!) it was not what I was saying...

The point was clear, and as surprising to you as it seems to be, is agreed with by all Including me... any death over a speeding ticket, a licence breach, a stolen car, whatever, is not worth it.

What you are implying is that Police should not pursue anyone for any reason whatsoever. That is the part that is hard to follow......

[Sanx]

The point was clear, and as surprising to you as it seems to be, is agreed with by all Including me... any death over a speeding ticket, a licence breach, a stolen car, whatever, is not worth it.

What you are implying is that Police should not pursue anyone for any reason whatsoever. That is the part that is hard to follow......

Having a rule that says never chase anyone is patently ridiculous. However, the current situation is exacerbated by draconian penalties for minor traffic infringements and among the boy racer and (to a lesser extent) biker crowd, a thorough dislike for traffic cops because of how they go about enforcing the draconian rules.

Chasing someone who doesn't stop for a $80 speeding ticket is simply ridiculous. Get the plate, and deal with it later. If someone's run, they'll run until they can't see you any more and then slow down, trying to look inconspicuous. Why exacerbate the situation further? However, if it were another Chris Kahui that was being chased, the crime committed is bad enough already. The risk he poses to the public is worth the risk of the chase. There has to be a line drawn somewhere.

In London, when a chase involving the Police helicopter gets near Heathrow, the chopper pilot has to radio air traffic control for permission to enter Heathrow's restricted air-space. Air Traffic Control has been known to ask what the person being chased has done, and then they make their decision to close down Heathrow approach based upon that. Considering the risks Police chases pose to all concerned, perhaps having someone who's dedicated to making those decisions available by radio before any chase progresses for more than a minute or so would be a good idea.

[scumdog]

Chasing someone who doesn't stop for a $80 speeding ticket is simply ridiculous. Get the plate, and deal with it later. If someone's run, they'll run until they can't see you any more and then slow down, trying to look inconspicuous. Why exacerbate the situation further? However, if it were another Chris Kahui that was being chased, the crime committed is bad enough already. The risk he poses to the public is worth the risk of the chase. There has to be a line drawn somewhere..

As has been said about a zillion times: how is the cop to know the guy is only running from 'just' the $80 ticket and not something more serious? Like he's in a stolen car?.

Or how does the cop know the plate is kosher? (Have you seen how many vehicles involved with say petrol-station drive-offs have false or altered plates?)

Your solution is simplistic to say the least.

[motorbyclist]

seriously, if the cops were unable to chase me i would have saved myself $170 today, but i know they will and it's not worth the risk.(edit: and now i think about it, had i run and tried to use rush hour traffic to get away, my probable route would've gone within 500m of a major cop station, and then into the side/rear/front of a car...)

just had to pull over and take it

that said, next cop will be a bit harder to stop for unless some demerit points start disappearing

or, i could behave... yeah, sounds like a better solution doesn't it?

[Sanx]

As has been said about a zillion times: how is the cop to know the guy is only running from 'just' the $80 ticket and not something more serious? Like he's in a stolen car?.

Or how does the cop know the plate is kosher? (Have you seen how many vehicles involved with say petrol-station drive-offs have false or altered plates?)

Your solution is simplistic to say the least.

I agree, it's far from perfect. The reason I've always been against the death penalty is that it's impossible to release someone from the grave when they're later on found to be innocent. In a way, this is a little similar. Given that there's the chance that a chase will end up in a fatal accident (the fatality not cecessarily the person running), is it worth always chasing on the off-chance they've done something more than go 10kph over the limit? Even if a number of the people being pursued go, I would have thought that it's better than someone being killed as a direct result of a chase.

If I could come up with a better idea, I'd do it though.

[motorbyclist]

I agree, it's far from perfect. The reason I've always been against the death penalty is that it's impossible to release someone from the grave when they're later on found to be innocent.

just a side note, another reason to not have the death penalty is that those who expect to receive it have nothing to lose in their attempt to flee. as such we have situations in the states where "death by cop" now even has an acronym....

[Reckless]

F$ck it! ZERO Tolerance!

How many High jackings are there now days, none! ZERO Tolerance!

If they know there's no way of getting away and every crime they commit during that chase will be brought to bear with the full weight of the law. IE hurt someone and its attempted murder, kill some one and its premeditated murder. They make the choice when they put their foot down. There'll be still some that run but the fucktard with the neighbours TV in the back or the 70 year old with to many demerits will be much more likely to stop. At the moment its well known go over 140 and your home free especially if the choppers busy somewhere else. You immedialty prononce yourself Guilty of everything by deciding to run.

Controversial opinion I know and I'm bracing myself for the barrage but I'm allowed to have one!

Its probably been said already I didn't read the thread

[Sanx]

F$ck it! ZERO Tolerance!

How many High jackings are there now days, none! ZERO Tolerance!

If they know there's no way of getting away and every crime they commit during that chase will be brought to bear with the full weight of the law. IE hurt someone and its attempted murder, kill some one and its premeditated murder. They make the choice when they put their foot down. There'll be still some that run but the fucktard with the neighbours TV in the back or the 70 year old with to many demerits will be much more likely to stop. At the moment its well known go over 140 and your home free especially if the choppers busy somewhere else. You immedialty prononce yourself Guilty of everything by deciding to run.

Controversial opinion I know and I'm bracing myself for the barrage but I'm allowed to have one!

Its probably been said already I didn't read the thread

And when the cops chasing hit and injure or hit and kill someone?

[Reckless]

I know Sanx that's a tough one but hopefully the police are well enough trained and will get our support. The problem is now that they are always in the wrong, the police always become the victim in a chase situation. By people who can't see the greater good.
There was tremendous risk in the SAS (or whoever) attacking those High jackers in those planes but the criminals got the message. God forbid any of mine or yours get caught in the crossfire but sometimes there have to be sacrifices made for substantial gain.

I say again, its a tough one, and a matter of opinion! But when do we say no! They are already killing us when running or choosing to kill (or commit crime) then run because know they'll get away.
My opinion only!

[motorbyclist]

well that's exactly it isn't it?

if there is no chance of being caught, why not go hit and run?

sure the cops may cause a small number of accidents, but i bet it's much less than what would happen if they didn't chase people

there'd be idiots like me left right and centre weaving between cars at 150kph on my way to/from uni/work every day

ramp up a footpath, hit a few kids, keep driving, no worries

maybe hook up some bullbars so my car doesn't get dented?

won't need a number plate, as they can't chase me for not having it, and without it i'm untraceable (and they ruin the aesthetics of my vehicle too)

and being the idiot i am, myself and others being hurt in a crash isn't a consideration at all cause i'm such a good driver/rider and don't crash on the track so roads shouldn't be any different

hell, maybe i could see if i can catch cyclists on my bonnet, or knock bikers off but leave the bike still riding?



ok, so now do we see why police need to chase people? if they didn't it would be chaos on the roads - and it's bad enough as it is!

law enforcement saves many more lives than it costs. think it the lesser of two evils

but of course, if you have a suggestion to stop people crashing/speeding/failing to follow road rules then by all mean say so.

maybe mandatory engine immobilisers? while it would stop theifs, it still wouldn't entirely work cause it's largely the same people without wofs, regos or licences that do the runners in the first place. (kinda like microchipping dogs - it's the illegal ones that won't get chipped and cause the majority of problems, not that a chip will stop a dog attacking an intruder)

[davereid]

As has been said about a zillion times: how is the cop to know the guy is only running from 'just' the $80 ticket and not something more serious? Like he's in a stolen car?.

Or how does the cop know the plate is kosher? (Have you seen how many vehicles involved with say petrol-station drive-offs have false or altered plates?)

Your solution is simplistic to say the least.

Its true that the car might be stolen, the driver might be wanted for other crimes or have driven away without paying for his petrol.

But they are all pretty unimportant issues really.

To the cynical observer, stolen property is about as low it gets on the police interest list unless there is an adreniline pumped car chase to be enjoyed.

I can just imagine police comms

"Comms here - anyone able to investigate a break in at a little old ladys house ? - over"

....silence.... silence...silence...

"Comms here - anyone able to assist with a subaru spotted without a WOF, failed to stop on Main St for Car 29, heading south"

"Car 23 here - I can assist"
"Car 49 here - me to"
"Dogs here - Main St you say ?"

"Comms to car 29 - safety status report please ?"

"Yep safe as houses comms, doing 140 through the mall, but I've done my driving refresher course and my lights are on"

[The Stranger:Me]

is it worth always chasing on the off-chance they've done something more than go 10kph over the limit?

Isn't it reasonable to assume that if their only crime is 10kph over the limit they would stop anyway, thus it is in all likelihood something worse that has induced them to run?

We all know that a burglar has no chance of getting caught unless he is speeding from the scene. Please don't take this slim chance from us.