Penalised for trying to help

[Ghost_Bullet]

an old 4 wheeler like that would be sweet... nice

[TonyB]

6pm today, just South of the Lewis Pass summit- a tightly bunched group of sports bikes was heading South while I was heading North in a grey GT Legacy towing a big arsed green/grey trailer that is wider than the car. The last rider in the group was on my side of the road on a bend that was probably blind (can't remember for sure)- he managed to get his wheels on the line, but I bet he was damn close to spreading himself all over my VERY solid trailer and therefore getting blood and guts all over the two race bikes I was towing.
This would have been most inconvinient.
Was it anyone on here?

[Rashika]

In da garage, didn't you see it..........mind you it's under a sheet. 73 RS Carrera lightweight ex-works 470hp beast.

ha he missed it! doh Dangerous, your nose must not be working right at the moment

[dangerous]

In da garage, didn't you see it..........mind you it's under a sheet. 73 RS Carrera lightweight ex-works 470hp beast.

Ill be back tomorow, in a 928... ill trade a drive with ya

[scracha]

ya what?
I like your argument tho, give me more

What's the point. You'll NEVER convince me that crossing the centre line is shitty riding and I'll NEVER convince you that overtaking on corners is also shitty riding

[Max Preload]

Though yesterday I had an amusing sight of following some peanut on a silver R1 or R6 down Dyer's pass Rd (all done out like they were ready for some hot laps at ruapuna), stupid thing was though, on every corner it was 'swing the tackle out into the wind' even once we got into the residential area the rider kept it up . It looked FUCKING GHEY!! and who ever it was wasn't anywhere near being quick as their cornering speed/positioning was pathetic

I passed a pair of identical (same bikes, same leathers) power rangers on West Coast/Woodcocks Road (Kaipara Flat) a few months back doing exactly that - crawling along hanging their ass cheeks off the seat thinking they were Rossi. The scary thing was I'd followed them for about 1km and when I passed the trailing one, he nearly crapped his leathers because he was completely unaware of my presence. The second one was obviously unaware too, because as I went to pass him about 500m later he crossed the centreline to "apex the bend" (all whilst the bike remained vertical). He must have thought he was blazing along so fast nobody would overtake him. God there are some real wannabe wankers out there.

So for fucks sake people - cross the centreline when there's sufficient vision by all means, but check that you're not being overtaken first.

[Shadows]

Did I say it was crazy?

Yes, you did. Something about being brainwashed by "crazy" keep left rules if I remember rightly.

Fine...but I've stated at least 3 times I cut corners on clear bits of road with good visibility. I have two eyes and I can differentiate a clear road from one with junctions, driveways, hidden dips and other vehicles on it. If another highway user can't then perhaps they shouldn't be driving?

OK, still, it's easy for one to become complacent when it becomes a habit.

Depends where you ride. As an example. On an advised 50kmph 90 degree corner I can go round it safely sticking to my side of the road at say 70kmph in the dry. If I were a numpty I could get my knee down and go round it at 100kmph. Alternatively, if I can see right through the corner I can quite safely cut it and take it at 100kmph. Please note I said I could go "A LOT" faster....doesn't mean I do and it doesn't mean I travel at warp 9. 100kmph is a "A LOT" faster than 70kmph. Most of the time I don't actually take the corner any quicker than if I were staying on the left hand side of the road, it's just a far safer line that requires less lean. In the wet, there is a trade off between keeping the bike more upright/less braking versus potentially slippery white lines.

I regularly exceed the signposted advisory speed on bends I can see through by "A LOT" as well, on roads I'm also familiar with, all the time while staying on my own side of the road. On an HD too, so for you, on what is almost definately a bike with a lot more available lean angle, and with your years of training and experience, it should be a piece of piss for you to do the same.

So as well as doing >200Kmph you're now assuming I speed through 50K zones? I suppose because I cross the center line I must also have no WOF, no rego and wheelie past primary schools.

Not really. But when one speaks of going "A LOT faster" in one sentence and then states 120k is his maximum speed, 2 + 2 can equal 5. I was simply trying to emphasise a point.

Is it? It requires quite a bit of concentration and dare I say, a little bit of skill. To me, lazy riding is being sat a couple of meters from the left hand side of the road, not indicating, just relying on mirrors and not looking over shoulder before overtaking and doing daft stuff like overtaking on bends. But I don't really want to get into a bitchfest.

Me neither. And yes, keeping too far left comes with its own set of hazards. Remember though that a lot of new riders read this stuff, and cutting corners is not a good habit for somebody to get into when learning to ride is a seriously life threatening enough pastime as it is.

Now you're just staring to make lots and lots of other assumptions (as well as your earlier ones about me speeding in town and doing over 200K) that simply aren't true.
I wouldn't abuse another rider for sticking to the left hand side of the road but it seems to be OK to accuse me of all sorts of $hit because I sometimes cross the center line when the road is clear.

Baby killer.

Seriously though, you asked for somebody to explain why keeping left was safer than cutting corners with regularity. I did so but you refuse to accept the argument no matter how it is presented so really this is a futile discussion.

I'll keep on enjoying my corners, good luck with your square tyres.

[Ixion]

I guess the thing with arguing that crossing the centre line is a legitmate thing is, one would then have to accept the same argument from Harry Huriup in his SUV.After all, if you can do it when it suits you, why should Harry not do it when it suits him?

Of course, Harry would only cross to the wrong side of the road when it was clear to do so. No cars or trucks coming. That he could see.

M'self, though I occasionally straighten out a series of corners, and sometimes wander over the line through laziness, I'd rather that Harry stayed on his side of the road. If that means accepting that I ought not to cross the line either (and the cops enforcing that rule) then so be it.

We've all done it , it's not a capital sin, but I wouldn't care to advocate it as safe riding.

[Rashika]

Of course, Harry would only cross to the wrong side of the road when it was clear to do so. No cars or trucks coming. That he could see.

funny thing about that last comment... "that he could see" and scratcha has said all along, "clear road, that he could see"

we only have eyes in the front, usually a little restricted by our visors and helmets and sometimes by the fkn great big bug that just splattered itself over the visor, so what we can see can at times be pretty restricted, esp when even compared to car drivers.

So why not play it safe and stay on your side of the lane, except when overtaking... cos there just may be that thing you missed seeing that is the last thing you ever see.

ah well... back to the battle

[Ixion]

Yes. My tongue was in my cheek. You may also notice the class of vehicle that Harry does not bother looking for.

[scumdog]

Yes, you did. Something about being brainwashed by "crazy" keep left rules if I remember rightly.



OK, still, it's easy for one to become complacent when it becomes a habit.

Yup.

See post #65.

[Jantar]

... In just over one year of riding here witnessing first hand more bikers crashing than 16 years riding in Europe put together. ....

I would seriously question the ability of the riders you are with. So, why not simply ride at your own pace and in your own manner, and let the stupid riders do their own thing?

[AllanB]

Good video of someone riding within and over the white lines early in this thread (have not worked out how to paste it here).

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=64070


Notice that when the wheels are well within his/her late the bike and top of rider are often over the centre-line.

[AllanB]

Also this may help explain all.....

[T.W.R]

This is a good wee video I posted 18mths ago of what could or couldn't happen visualise the scenario if the rider was hugging the center line or over it

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/at...4&d=1153315938