Biker Down threads!

[James Deuce]

I'm sorry for misleading people with that post. I was trying to point out that I'm arguing from the basis of expounding my opinion. I'm not getting opinions back, I'm getting accusations and insults.

[Cache Wraith]

Well, you knew I'd be long to give my two cents worth at some stage.

The endless posts (by people who never knew the motorcyclist in question) saying nothing more than "rip" or "............." are placed there by people who are desperate to buy into the whole "brotherhood" bullshit and think they'll be accepted if they mindlessly recite the Biker Down Mantra.

Personally, I find that attitude disrespectful.

Your post tells me you understand very little about your fellow humans. Some of us here actually do feel some affinity (brotherhood) to other bikers and I would argue that 95% of members who post "rip" etc do so out of genuine concern, and not to "buy into the brotherhood bullshit".

[Ixion]

I'm sorry for misleading people with that post. I was trying to point out that I'm arguing from the basis of expounding my opinion. I'm not getting opinions back, I'm getting accusations and insults.

Perhaps because people can't fathom why it is such a big deal to you? I can't , m'self.

If some biker I've never heard of is killed down country, I'm not going to crack on that i'm grief stricken.

But, none the less, I'm saddened by it. No doubt there are folk somewhere grieving for him or her. It would be a pretty sorry apology for a human being who couldn't realise that and find a scrap of pity for them.

And as a biker, I've come close enough to NastyShit myself to be able to imagine what it must have been like for him in those last few seconds, to have a guess at what would have raced through his mind. So there's an empathy there.

And although I didn't know the deceased, there may be someone here who did. Or know someone who did, to whom a mention that "Yes , there was a thread on a biker forum I belong to about the accident, lots of people through the country send their condolences" may be comforting.

If not, so what, what has it cost me? Or, you, for that matter ?

Look at it from another viewpoint.

You're on a ride, stop for gas. The guy behind the counter says "Oh, yeah, there was biker killed near here the other day. Very sad. Y'didn't know him I suppose?". And you reply "No, I didn't." Now, if the guy behind you piped up " Well you didn't know him and I didn't know him, so who gives a fuck about him, stop wasting time". What would you think of that guy? I'd think he was an ill-bred insensitive oaf. (And that's not intended to be allusory, I know you're not).

End of the day, such common place politenesses don't mean much. Here or anywhere else. But, like all politenesses they make society and life a bit more decent. No-one's forced to comment, so I can't see why those who don't want to get their panties in a bunch about it.

[Katman]

Your post tells me you understand very little about your fellow humans. Some of us here actually do feel some affinity (brotherhood) to other bikers and I would argue that 95% of members who post "rip" etc do so out of genuine concern, and not to "buy into the brotherhood bullshit".

Spoken like a true 250 owner.

[imdying]

Spoken like a true 250 owner.

Courtesy, like empathy, is one of those traits that stops you getting your head kicked in... undervalue it at your peril.

Someone said it better than me...

[jafar]

Some of us here actually do feel some affinity (brotherhood) to other bikers and I would argue that 95% of members who post "rip" etc do so out of genuine concern, and not to "buy into the brotherhood bullshit".

Spoken like a true 250 owner.

This should be interesting

[Maha]

Someone earlier in the thread pointed out that, Some Biker Down threads are passed on the to family of said biker (only when the biker did not survive i take it?) and more than likely read out at the Funeral..that is really cool, no question. Most of these threads are 'dots' and i cant for the life of me think that would make good reading, accept when the biker is known to some of us and then the heart felt stories come out. Tell ya mates how you feel about them while you can....words are louder than dots!
I will continue Not to post in such threads....my choice (as someone also pointed out earlier)....Mark

[Cache Wraith]

Spoken like a true 250 owner.

Ahhhhh brilliant. Faced with a thought out response to your first post, you come up with this eloquent follow up. Your reasoning is enlightening. Maybe you were right all along.

[T.W.R]

Spoken like a true 250 owner.

Hollow words from an ignorant

[Mom]

Ahhhhh brilliant. Faced with a thought out response to your first post, you come up with this eloquent follow up. Your reasoning is enlightening. Maybe you were right all along.

Hollow words from an ignorant

Hey guys....shhhhhhhhh

This is not a thread for non constructive debate, it is an adult discussion, and everyone is entitled to have their say. I dont agree with some of the posts on here, some I really want to challenge, I might yet. But there is no need to resort to insults that come by way of words, or uncalled for over-use of not so nice icons.

Thanks.

[Maha]

While i appreciate the views/words from those who have felt the pain of loosing loved ones to road accidents, and find a large amount of comfort in Kiwi Biker threads posted in memory of those that have died....i have found these quotes from a couple of Lads that were known to many.
The quotes dont make it a 'right or a wrong' thing, just the veiws of a couple good bastards that i never got the chance to meet.

err person Deano not people

On a side note, my way of thinking is that the people that are important (not many, if any) to me will find out by me calling them or friends getting in touch, and for all the others that might give a toss about a wanker like me they'll find out in due time. Unless given premisson by the muppet who crashed, i dont think it's right to post it, like i said the people who need to know will find out.

My vote would be to ask first or leave it to the family. If you are close to the person who had an incident you will be informed, usually though a network of close friends. If you need to read it off the internet are you really that close to the person? Do you need to know right then and there?

[Roki_nz]

What I do not understand (genuinely) is why people should think it offensive, or be so opposed to it. I can well understand those who say that it seems pointless and therefore they do not do it, I seldom do myself. But others are overtly hostile to the idea.

It does no harm, may do some good.

A while ago , when the four motorcyclists were killed by the Austrienne, a number of people, knowing that I ride, commented on the tragedy to me, with conventional comments of good will (" not friends of yours I hope, Very sad, terrible for the family " etc).

They did not know the motorcyclists, were not riders themselves, but , figuratively speaking raised their hats and bowed. I thought it seemly of them.

Would those who are strident about these postings have similarly berated them

I agree with that and the answer is NO. In real life I doubt those who are “strident about these postings”, would berate anyone showing sympathy. I have seen it only once or twice in real life that someone has complained about a show of sympathy.

Most people on forums find it easier to rubbish other peoples opinions and posts simply because they are dealing with a piece of text and more often than not they can not picture the person behind that text and how what they say will make a that person feel.

I have seen this behaviour from both sides in “Biker Down Threads” and almost every other thread. This tends to trash that threat and in my opinion it’s just plane rude to have these arguments in the “Biker Down Threads”.

As for my thoughts on “Biker Down Threads: Posting the news is fine but follow the forum rules and common sense about naming the downed rider for respect for the Rider and for their friends and family especially if it has been a fatal accident.

If someone makes a comment that causes offence send him or her a pm, be polite and ask him or her to remove the offensive comment. More often than not it’s an innocent mistake and not someone trying to cause any upset.

Just my thoughts you are free to differ. But please play nice

[Mystic13]

So it seems we have pretty much two clearly defined camps with good numbers.

It seems to me on that basis the biker down threads should stay.

Some people on here, open the thread, and then complain about the content. Would they be the same people that watch a TV news story that explicitly says "the content may be disturbing" and then complain to everyone that the content was disturbing.

I personally appreciate the threads for many of the reasons stated.

At this point you've had your say, you're unhappy, yes we get this. But there are a fair few that want this on here. On that basis... end of story. Find a way to deal with it and move on.

If there was little or no support for biker down threads just the odd person then I'd be saying the reverse.

I'm also getting a little tired of the drone from the people who don't like biker down threads. A biker down thread pops up and the drone starts and takes away from what the thread is about and because it's becoming fairly constant it's starting to become more than a little over the top.

You lot need to understand you've been heard and saying it over and over and over and over and over and over is not going to get you heard better, it's just going to piss people off.

So a KB member expresses their condolences and you think they're not being genuine, blah blah blah. We get it. Yeah I know there is more you want to say but I've heard it.

You've had your say. It's clear you've overstepped the mark in the biker down threads.

You complain about the content of the biker down threads. I have a complaint. You're constant drone is being disrespectful to the rider down and the thread. If you have a problem with the thread then create a thread like this and can you please stop the drone in a biker down thread.

Thanks.

[Mrs Busa Pete]

So it seems we have pretty much two clearly defined camps with good numbers.

It seems to me on that basis the biker down threads should stay.

Some people on here open the thread and then complain about the content. Would they be the same people that watch a TV news story that explicitly says "the content may be disturbing" and then complain to everyone that the content was disturbing.

I personally appreciate the threads for many of the reason stated.

At this point you've had your say, you're unhappy, yes we get this. But there are a faior few that want this on here. On that basis... end of story. Find a way to deal with it and move on.

If there was little or no support for biker down threads just the odd person then I'd be saying the reverse.

I'm also getting a little tired of the drone from the people who don't like biker down threads. A biker down thread pops up and the drone starts and takes away from what the thread is about and because it's becoming fairly constant it's starting to become more than a little over the top.

You lot need to understand you've been heard and saying it over and over and over and over and over and over is going to get you heard better it's just going to piss people off.

So a KB member expresses their condolences and you think they're not being genuine, blah blah blah. We get it. Yeah I know there is more you want to say but I've heard it.

You've had your say and it's clear you've overstepped the mark in the biker down threads.

You complain about the content of the biker down threads and I have a complaint. You're constant drone is being disrespectful to the rider down and the thread. If you have a problem with the thread then create a thread like this and can you please stop the drone in a biekr down thread.

Thanks.

Whole heartly agree with this post is very well said. Also as i have said don't go into them easy.

[fire eyes]

I have posted my condolences in KB as an acknowledgment. To the deceased who shares a common passion & to those left behind to deal with their loss.

My human-ness and compassion far extends beyond the people I know only on an intimate level. A persons life cycle ending regardless of circumstances deserves thought & acknowledgment be that by public forum or by silence.

If posting my condolences and acknowlegment to someone who has passed, wheather it be Kb or not, becomes offensive and deemed disrespectful, I will immediately refrain from posting as my intention is not to cause anymore heartache to the families and friends, than has already been experienced.

In my eyes, the tragedy will come when when we no longer care about the loss of anothers life and no longer acknowledge it, even by thought alone.