wtf?

[yungatart]

You button it.

At this point in time, it is all about one family's feelings!
I can't believe how heartless you are. this is not the place, nor the time for your campaign.

[Katman]

You are being so very disrespectful it is not funny. There is a time and a place for everything. This is NOT the time. Have a heart man. Try putting yourself in the family and friends shoes.

There's a seperate RIP thread that I haven't even set foot in. Like I said, the response today in the 'Accident' thread was some of the most positive I've read in the four years I've frequented this site.

[325rocket]

......

that blows me away!
if your so keen on breaking site rules i might have a go myself. you sir are a prize cock. ive just had a quick look through you post history and all you do is piss and moan but this is a new low!

i agree with some of what you have said in the past re being real and understanding we can all do things to minimise risk but this has really pissed me off!

[Ixion]

Seriously man, leave it be for a day or two aye. Peoples views will be acknowledged and debated in the same way, but a respectful time needs to be adhered to for those who knew this lad.

No, they won't. The truth is too uncomfortable ever to be acknowledged here.

The site's ethos guarantees that such deaths will continue.

No pint getting worked up about it though. Its just the way it is. Binning's cool, and when it isn't we'll pretend it never happened.

[Nagash]

As long as we can bring the thread back after the funeral i'll be satisfied.

I didn't have a clue the family requested it to be taken down, I can understand their reasoning but I do hope it does come back into light eventually.

No problem with leaving it be for a day or two.

[Swoop]

Katman. Looking at your "top five negatively repped posts", a grand total of four of them are about "biker down" threads.

Food for thought, perhaps?

[chanceyy]

Hi guys .

katman you are way out of line, as you can see others are disgusted with your attitude .. at this time its not about you its about Patrick & his family who are grieving

Give it a rest katman & for once show some common decency & respect

[Str8 Jacket]

There's a seperate RIP thread that I haven't even set foot in. Like I said, the response today in the 'Accident' thread was some of the most positive I've read in the four years I've frequented this site.

Nor have I. I did not know the guy but I respect that family and other KB members are feeling very upset at present and I wish to respect their feelings. There is a lesson to be learnt from EVERY accident. Timing is everything for people to respect that lesson. Shut up and keep your opinions to yourself it only happened a day or to ago. Put yourself in someone elses shoes for once. Please.

[Katman]

No, they won't. The truth is too uncomfortable ever to be acknowledged here.

The site's ethos guarantees that such deaths will continue.

No pint getting worked up about it though. Its just the way it is. Binning's cool, and when it isn't we'll pretend it never happened.

Thank fuck I'm not the only one with a realistic head on my shoulders.

[Big Dave]

Ix - you know what is happening in litigation world at the moment.

If I was the private owner of this privately owned web site I would also take every step possible to minimize the risks of a slander case.

If you want to have something protected by the 'veil of incorporation' then we need to do the BRONZ site as we have discussed.

At the moment you are raising the Socialist flag on Wall Street.

[PrincessBandit]

I'm with the insensitive loudmouthed Aussie on this one.

On the whole, if there are people arranging a funeral who find it upsetting for us to have that conversation in public, I'm prepared to leave it for a while.

Is it possible that the thread might be reinstated after a suitable period of respect? I agree that it must be devastating for his family and that sensitivity and honouring of their wishes be followed, but will there be future discussion on this site regarding this tragedy and any lessons to be learned?
I have no idea how well known Pat was to the wider biking community but some people will deal with their grief/incomprehension/bewilderment/frustration by debating in this type of forum.

[R6_kid:Me]

Is it just me or does Katman's attitude seriously resemeble that of Sue Bradford?

[PrincessBandit]

I do agree with the above post but sure a few days(or whatever) for the grieving family should be given

Would be good to see the thread brought back minus any "insensitive" posts as it was,IMO one of the more constructive threads on KB I've seen in some time.

Ah, ya beat me to it DMNTD

[Nagash]

We'll have to get a new option set up when you register you're account, like the organ donar option on your driver's license.

If in the event of my death while riding you have permission to discuss it in any way you want - YES/NO

[jrandom]

The site's ethos guarantees that such deaths will continue.

Well... not really.

I'd say that human nature guarantees that such deaths will continue.

If one wants to make a difference, one will have to somehow change the attitude and dynamic out on the roads, on the group rides and when the young fullas are riding alone.

I suspect that imposing an ACC-advertisement-style visibility of the nature and consequences and nature of roadriding fuckups here on the forums would not really help anything much. It's not as though this isn't discussed, and, frankly, anyone who's still stupid enough to go out and ride like a cock after the last few years of events on KB is still going to be in danger of killing themselves regardless of the subjects that we air here.

And there remains the fact that the family of the dead man would like certain discussions to be kept private for the time being. Given the immediacy of their grief, I'm happy to consider that an overriding priority for the moment.