Proposed new speed limit

[mstriumph]

It's alright mate, someone will lend youa Leopard skin loin cloth. Heaps of Deviants on KB.

but - but - you promised you'd never tell ......

[mowgli]

Auckland has the entire stretch over the bombays imagin hitting that at say 60kmph with a coupla hundred bikers over a long w.e imagine the traffic we could make, maybe thoes cock su***** will do sumthing about it after a bit of media attention.

That was a joke right? Traffic over 60k leaving AK on a long weekend

[slopster]

Come on. Cheese cutters are dangerous but I bet a lot more people have been saved but them stopping cars crossing the centre line then killed by them. Not as good as a concrete barrier but better then nothing. Theres way too much other dangerous stuff out there to be just focusing on cheese cutters. You going to ride slow round lamposts, power poles, stone walls, and any road with a fence paralleling it too?

[koba]

Come on. Cheese cutters are dangerous but I bet a lot more people have been saved but them stopping cars crossing the centre line then killed by them. Not as good as a concrete barrier but better then nothing. Theres way too much other dangerous stuff out there to be just focusing on cheese cutters. You going to ride slow round lamposts, power poles, stone walls, and any road with a fence paralleling it too?

Im sorry, your opinion does not conform.
You are to be executed.

No seriously it is a valid point.
I like the Idea of an "impeding the flow of traffic" style protest but there are a few negitives for me.
One is Altho I am against WRB's in stupid places (such as left side of lane) I do see a use for them. Concrete is always going to be better for us but sometimes they could be better than nothing.

The other issue is bags not being at the back!

I guess that shows that after some consideration: I still like the idea overall.

[yungatart]

Come on. Cheese cutters are dangerous but I bet a lot more people have been saved but them stopping cars crossing the centre line then killed by them. Not as good as a concrete barrier but better then nothing. Theres way too much other dangerous stuff out there to be just focusing on cheese cutters. You going to ride slow round lamposts, power poles, stone walls, and any road with a fence paralleling it too?

I'd rather take my chances against any of the other things that you mentioned, rather than a cheesecutter.

And I don't see why we should have to settle on "better than nothing" when there are far better options for us out there.

I don't see that we should be considered bottom of the heap, or not considered at all, when it comes to decisons aboout road safety. After all, I pay taxes and registrations on 6 vehicles, and I deserve better! As do my fellow motorcyclists.

What is good for us on two wheels, is ultimately a shit load better for all those on 4 wheels as well!

[koba]

After all, I pay taxes and registrations on 6 vehicles, and I deserve better! As do my fellow motorcyclists.

Interesting point too, being generally more enthusispastic about our motors and the like would motorcyclists be much more likey to be paying multiple dips of rego too?

I have 2 cars and 3 road registerable bikes myself.

Only one is currenty legal tho...

[sunhuntin]

hehe...

pack of bikers traveling along mway.. wire barrier begins.. bikers get off bikes and start 'walking them' along the mway.... "too bloody dangerous to ride next to those things" humpf...

your post gave me an idea, good sir. would it be possible to form an auckland slow motorway ride the same weekend as the helicopter? i know i will be up there all weekend, and so likely with many others.

[DEATH_INC.]

Come on. Cheese cutters are dangerous but I bet a lot more people have been saved but them stopping cars crossing the centre line then killed by them. Not as good as a concrete barrier but better then nothing. Theres way too much other dangerous stuff out there to be just focusing on cheese cutters. You going to ride slow round lamposts, power poles, stone walls, and any road with a fence paralleling it too?

Point taken, but as I've said before, you've gotta start somewhere. These things are unnecessarily dangerous and at too closer proximity to be ignored. Power poles are slowly disappearing as are a lot of roadside objects. We can't get rid of 'em all but we can minimize what is there and doesn't need to be that way. We're not asking them to remove the barriers, just make 'em safe or use safer one's. There are viable alternatives....

[Ixion]

Lamp-posts, power poles and the like are avoidable, even if one runs off road one can aim to miss them. Stone walls and fences are surviveable.

WRBs are neither avoidable, nor surviveable.

[James Deuce]

Come on. Cheese cutters are dangerous but I bet a lot more people have been saved but them stopping cars crossing the centre line then killed by them. Not as good as a concrete barrier but better then nothing. Theres way too much other dangerous stuff out there to be just focusing on cheese cutters. You going to ride slow round lamposts, power poles, stone walls, and any road with a fence paralleling it too?

They don't stop cars crossing the centre line. They absorb energy by stretching and can deform up to 4 metres if hit head on at 100km/hr. The installation guidelines take this into account and insist that they are this distance away from traffic on both sides. They are designed to be installed in a central reservation, not right next to a traffic flow on the centre line as they are installed in NZ.

Transit have installed them incorrectly and this installation methodology makes it more likely that a motorcyclist hitting them at open road speeds will die.

All we are asking is that if they have to use them, they use them according to the manufacturers instructions. It's not rocket science.

The 70km.hr limit has been proposed by my mate fatjim-who-is-about-as-fat-as-jim2 (the 2 stands for 2 people), because you are more likely to "only" lose limbs if you strike one obliquely, rather than just die, as you do at 100km.hr. These are not made up figures, but gathered from analysis of accidents involving motorcyclists in European countries who are now either cladding WRBs or removing them. Countries who actually care about an individual's life and potential contribution, rather than just writing them off as "special people" who deserve to die, if they even think about them at all.

[Big Dave]

Bad idea. You are heightening the accident risk for non participating riders trying to get past the mobile road block.

[mowgli]

I'm a bit of a late comer to this campaign (started riding in December) but have done some reading since. It appears to me that the best approach is to attack WRB from a cost point of view rather than safety. There has been some interesting study done in Australia (not sure how effective they've been) that shows, while WRB are marginally cheaper to install than concrete, the cost to maintain WRB is significantly higher. Also there is greater chance of injury from WRB leading to higher health system costs.

The study also notes that WRB are much less effective (or not at all) than concrete with some vehicles, namely motorbikes and trucks.

Concrete is a cheaper and more effective solution. If we could persuade an opposition MP to take up the cause and back it up with credible evidence then we could potentially make this an election issue.

Mr Dynhoven talks the talk. It's time for the opposition to call him on it.

[Deano]

There has been some interesting study done in Australia (not sure how effective they've been) that shows, while WRB are marginally cheaper to install than concrete, the cost to maintain WRB is significantly higher. Also there is greater chance of injury from WRB leading to higher health system costs.

Exactly. The thing is, the financial books look good this year at least don't they ?

And that's what the managers controlling the budgets and polly's want to show isn't it.

[mowgli]

Exactly. The thing is, the financial books look good this year at least don't they ?

And that's what the managers controlling the budgets and polly's want to show isn't it.

Ahhh yes but the opposition love showing how the polys are mis-spending public money on fool hardy projects (at least they used to).

I like this report the best.
Wire Rope “Un-safety” Barrier (WRUB)

[James Deuce]

Ahhh yes but the opposition love showing how the polys are mis-spending public money on fool hardy projects (at least they used to).

I like this report the best.
Wire Rope “Un-safety” Barrier (WRUB)

We don't have an "opposition".