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    Difference between number and cost. Dirt bikes might have more crashes, but they don't usually produce the very long term injuries that cost big money. And a greater proportion of dirt bikers would be young (< 18) riders. They are cheap.

    What really costs ACC are injuries that require long term ERC compensation. That 80% of earnings for years mounts up fast.

    Deaths are relatively cheap if there are no dependants. And injuries to non-earners (eg kids) are cheap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    Difference between number and cost. Dirt bikes might have more crashes, but they don't usually produce the very long term injuries that cost big money. And a greater proportion of dirt bikers would be young (< 18) riders. They are cheap.

    What really costs ACC are injuries that require long term ERC compensation. That 80% of earnings for years mounts up fast.

    Deaths are relatively cheap if there are no dependants. And injuries to non-earners (eg kids) are cheap.
    I hate to say it, But your way off.

    Visit an orginised trail ride in the hill country one day, Riders range across all ages, with probably more riders being 25 to 45. There can be anywhere from 50 to 400 riders, And thats just the rides in my part of the country, I hear they have far more riders in more populated areas.

    Its not uncommon to see multiple riders with broken limbs on a single ride, And every so often you get broken backs, necks, internal injuries.

    Many a time I have been heading back to the car after a 10 hour ride and heard the thump thump thump of the helicopter coming in to fly someone to hospital.

    Its mayhem, The risks can be extreme, and the damage can be lifelong suffering. I saw a guy disappear off a track 100m ahead of me, It was 200m near straight down to the tree canopy, I couldn't see him......


    My uncle who is near 60 hit a fallen tree at speed, Flipped him and his bike, Broke both wrists, his coller bone,and his hip. Has had mutiple operations, never came right. Lives in pain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headbanger View Post
    Lives in pain.
    A car did a U-turn infront of a biker without signalling a while back

    that biker is dead

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    hmm, and now i realise that that wouldn't cost very much at all and therefore have no impact on ACC rates relative to road vs. dirt riders

    never mind

    as you were

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    Quote Originally Posted by FilthyLuka View Post
    A car did a U-turn infront of a biker without signalling a while back

    that biker is dead

    EDITL

    hmm, and now i realise that that wouldn't cost very much at all and therefore have no impact on ACC rates relative to road vs. dirt riders

    never mind

    as you were
    I wasn't trying to downplay road accidents, Just point out the real situation with dirt bikes.

    This may shed some light on them for people who have never been on one, Granted I'm on a quad, and got stuck behind slow traffic, But the terrain is there to see.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Headbanger View Post
    I wasn't trying to downplay road accidents, Just point out the real situation with dirt bikes.

    This may shed some light on them for people who have never been on one, Granted I'm on a quad, and got stuck behind slow traffic, But the terrain is there to see.
    ok, now i know quad bikes can't get into the really tight knarly stuff, but that track looked pretty tame (but damn nice views and alot of fun i bet)

    must dig up a video of some of the big rides i've been on. rough as guts terrain, trees with spiky stumps of branches at rider height, sharp rocks and big falls


    though the crash thing is interesting.

    on a dirtbike you crash often, but 99% of the time you get back up and just keep going with just a few bruises and maybe a few cuts/grazez, so statistically speaking serious accidents are rarer than road bikes as a percentage of total crashes. so while dirtbikes are more dangerous in the sense you fall off more often, roadbikes are more dangerous in that you get much more injured when you do finally bin it.....

    wouldn't know which one is actually more dangerous overall, but i'll lean towards the dirtbike IF the rider it going apeshit in a competitive and/or dangerous environment

    as for acc costs, there are ALOT of under 18 dirt riders, and i would say from what i've seen that much more than t50% of dirt riders is under 25, so not many dependants

    than again, alot of the road idiots crashing, like in this thread's original post were under 18 anyway, or again under 25......

    cant wait till i turn 25 and my insurer gives me a box of driving/riding skill for my birthday.... would go nice with my no-claims since i got my licence at 15 years old bonus

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    three cheers for skin grafts!

    hip-hip!

    no?
    no-one?

    not even the ones without gear?


    funny that

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    Quote Originally Posted by motorbyclist View Post
    ok, now i know quad bikes can't get into the really tight knarly stuff, but that track looked pretty tame (but damn nice views and alot of fun i bet)
    Sure, Its tame until you mess up, Then you get flown out by the helicopter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headbanger View Post
    Sure, Its tame until you mess up, Then you get flown out by the helicopter.
    oh of course, just considering that there's much knarlier stuff out there furthers the danger factor...

    wouldn't want to go rolling down one of those hillsides with a quad on top of me that's for sure

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