The difficulty is enforcement.

[Big Dave]

Texting when driving tragedy.
I read the 'difficulty enforcing' with some incredulity.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/...ectid=10487746

[Ixion]

Well, if they can't enforce the laws about going through red lights .......

[pete376403]

How do the other 35 countries that have a cell-phone/driving ban in place enforce it? Coundn't the Govt ask around - would have to be worth a good long overseas 'fact finding mission"

[98tls]

"hes a good kid this could happen to anyone"Seems they just dont get it,i had an extremely overweight mother of 4 fail to give way when about to turn into my street awhile back,my first mistake was taking it for granted that she would give way i guess,anyway after nearly collecting me she carried on,as our street is a dead end i followed her to the end of it and when pulled up alongside her car she was still txtingbitch hadnt even noticed what she didi spent a few minutes explaing my problem with what she had done and along the way threw in a few comments about her size that her husband was probably to scared to say....she looked shocked so maybe longterm ive done him a favour and she may well have lost 80/90 kilos.

[Steam]

How is it any more difficult than enforcing the seatbelt rule! STUPID!

[98tls]

How is it any more difficult than enforcing the seatbelt rule! STUPID!

Absolutly,simple really isnt it.

[xwhatsit]

They didn't seem to have a problem enforcing it when I lived in Brisbane. The difficulties they had were false positives.

[Jantar]

Cell phone detectors that can tell when a call is being made from within a limited radius, are relatively cheap. Certainly cheaper than radar detector detectors.

[James Deuce]

Simply track phone calls. You can triangulate a cellphone's position. If it is travelling more than 30 kms per hour and being used, and the person isn't on a train or bus, add the fine to their bill.

Yes, they can tell if you are on a bus or train.

For peak hour traffic, just fine everyone through their bill who uses it between 7am and 9:30am. Yes this includes passengers. Tough. The inconvenience is worth 30 lives.

[Ixion]

Triangulation within Auckland isn't accurate to more than a couple of kilometres , unfortunately (Sometimes it's spot on. Other times way out).

Alas.

[Ixion]

Cell phone detectors that can tell when a call is being made from within a limited radius, are relatively cheap. Certainly cheaper than radar detector detectors.

I don't think that would work. Apart from the question of "which vehicle out of the 20 within that radius" (yeah, i know, South Island. Try it on an Auckland motorway) . But also the detector would pick up an incoming call going to voice mail, or an incoming txt, even if the driver wasn't using the phone. And what about passengers? Are we intending to ban phones for them too?

Easy answer for detection, is bikey cops. I can easily see people using phones, just look through their window.

[candor]

The "difficulty with enforcement" is double talk for the fact the resource allocation experiment (RAM) run in NZ since 1995 appears to inhibit or prohibit enforcement of things other than speed, alcohol and seatbelts.

These are termed as "the vital few" (Treasury Pathfinders project - website inaccessible to non Government staff)

To diverge from the model would mean that valid comparisons about effectiveness of only our 3 specific interventions (standalone) could not then be drawn with Victoria's road safety approach which uses a wider range of interventions.

Control charts showing impact of the general deterrance policing model for road safety (speed, alcohol, seatbelts) have long been drawn up and would loose their "continuity" if policing any other variables was added - no doubt causing great distress to the researchers involved.

NZ Police are currently helping implement the RAM in Vietnam, it is also marketed in Iran as we speak. Jo Average in these economiees does not have cell phones. If we addressed cell phones it would be harder to market the RAM in second world economies.

NZ is the quota experiment capital of the world and adding phone fines to the list would interfere with something icky, something said by reports from policy think tanks like ERSO to be the only set up of its type - http://nz-road-safety-2010-dismal-fa...targetting.htm

Key studies show there is no breathing room for new issues;

Frith W, Graham P, Keall M, Povey L
Monitoring of Road User behaviour / attitudes including roadside survey of drivers speed and breath alcohol.
Commencement July 1994, Active - ongoing
Guria, J. Leung, J.
Evaluating the effects of a high intensity enforcement and advertising program targeting alcohol impaired drivers, alcohol-impaired drivers, speeding and seatbelt use
Commencement July 1995. Active - ongoing
Guria, J. Leung J.
To develop and refine a resource allocation model for road safety funding
Commencement June 1995. Active - ongoing.

Memorable quote from one of the above mentioned scientists "find us a way to make it pay and it (any other road safety intervention) might get ranking"

[Pixie]

The "difficulty with enforcement" is double talk for the fact the resource allocation experiment (RAM) run in NZ since 1995 appears to inhibit or prohibit enforcement of things other than speed, alcohol and seatbelts.

These are termed as "the vital few" (Treasury Pathfinders project - website inaccessible to non Government staff)

To diverge from the model would mean that valid comparisons about effectiveness of only our 3 specific interventions (standalone) could not then be drawn with Victoria's road safety approach which uses a wider range of interventions.

So that's why we keep getting that tired old claptrap shoved down our throats.

[Headbanger]

The "difficulty with enforcement" is double talk for the fact the resource allocation experiment (RAM) run in NZ since 1995 appears to inhibit or prohibit enforcement of things other than speed, alcohol and seatbelts.

These are termed as "the vital few" (Treasury Pathfinders project - website inaccessible to non Government staff)

To diverge from the model would mean that valid comparisons about effectiveness of only our 3 specific interventions (standalone) could not then be drawn with Victoria's road safety approach which uses a wider range of interventions.

Control charts showing impact of the general deterrance policing model for road safety (speed, alcohol, seatbelts) have long been drawn up and would loose their "continuity" if policing any other variables was added - no doubt causing great distress to the researchers involved.

NZ Police are currently helping implement the RAM in Vietnam, it is also marketed in Iran as we speak. Jo Average in these economiees does not have cell phones. If we addressed cell phones it would be harder to market the RAM in second world economies.

NZ is the quota experiment capital of the world and adding phone fines to the list would interfere with something icky, something said by reports from policy think tanks like ERSO to be the only set up of its type - http://nz-road-safety-2010-dismal-fa...targetting.htm

Key studies show there is no breathing room for new issues;

Frith W, Graham P, Keall M, Povey L
Monitoring of Road User behaviour / attitudes including roadside survey of drivers speed and breath alcohol.
Commencement July 1994, Active - ongoing
Guria, J. Leung, J.
Evaluating the effects of a high intensity enforcement and advertising program targeting alcohol impaired drivers, alcohol-impaired drivers, speeding and seatbelt use
Commencement July 1995. Active - ongoing
Guria, J. Leung J.
To develop and refine a resource allocation model for road safety funding
Commencement June 1995. Active - ongoing.

Memorable quote from one of the above mentioned scientists "find us a way to make it pay and it (any other road safety intervention) might get ranking"

Im stunned.

Parliament needs to burn.

Barricade the doors and fire that fat old sow like a BBQ.

[98tls]

What am i missing here,as far as i am aware cops have eyes like the rest of us,"i am issuing you with a ticket for driving whilst using a cell phone" methinks that could work.