Fines?

[Jiminy]

I have never beleived that a piece of paper can dictate my ability, but at the same time, to put yourself in a situation where you might get owned this hard is just plain stupid.

I might object, in this case, that the piece of paper, far from dictating anything, at least demonstrates a minimum level of knowledge of the road code (and hopefully that you have read it). sinister^ is missing his theoretical, and even if he has (possibly) read the road code, it would be good for him to check if he knows enough.

Of course, here I could go in a rant about how ridiculously easy the theoretical test is, thus not proving much as far as road code knowledge goes, and how confusing some of the rules of the said road code are, to the point where some of them are being allegedly ignored. But, heh, I'll leave that for another thread...

Btw, sinister^, the longer you wait to get your learner, and the longer you'll have to wait to get a decent size bike. Should give you some motivation

[Ixion]

I think you missed my point, most likely due to my poorly worded post.

That fact that someone does not have a licence is not enough for them to be 'forbidden' from driving?

The "forbidden to drive" thing came in at the time the "lifetime" licence (don't get me started) was placed by the present ID card (don't get me started).

The rationale is that , whilst some unlicensed drivers may be like the OP, never had one at all, others may be of a different sort: people whose (no longer lifetime) licences have expired , and they have (perhaps genuinely) not noticed - this was a much bigger problem when we had the 80+ retesting ; overseas drivers who have gone past the magical twelve month period, and (the original reason) drivers with once-valid licences who have not converted them to the new sort . The latter does still occur, people who have been overseas, returned and have not kept up with the play on lifetime not being a lifetime any more. There are also those with special endorsements which have to be renewed regularly who may have failed to renew.

It was felt that an across the board punitive approach to all unlicensed driving was unduely harsh, especially since at the same time the penalties for driving unlicensed (after the first time "warning") were very heavily increased. And separating out the different varieties too complex.

So the "forbidden to drive" process came into being. It is actually a formal, and unmistakeable notification to the person that they are not allowed to drive. Regardless of what they may have thought. All in all, a reasonable and sensible approach, I think.

[phallic]

how much is the fine for not displaying your L plate if your a learner while riding?

Everyone I know says to forget about it and if you get pulled over just say it must have fallen off.
Im guessing that by not displaying it you also put your insurance in jepordy?

[Nasty]

how much is the fine for not displaying your L plate if your a learner while riding?

Everyone I know says to forget about it and if you get pulled over just say it must have fallen off.
Im guessing that by not displaying it you also put your insurance in jepordy?

You don't have everything legal your insurace is not valid. the fine is around $400 odd

[scumdog]

I think it might be my definitions of forbidden.

The fact that a person does not have a licence should be grounds enough for them not to be allowed to drive.

It is - but some people have to be TOLD that - and forbidden to drive until they get a licence when they get caught driving- just to hammer the message home..

[sinister^]

OK guys, I got my learner licence now. Got all the questions correct and I got full party insurance.

PS Edbear I live near you and I'm not a little shithead teenager that bases his life on rap music and tagging like most.

[Morcs]

I am KBs authority on fines.

I have paid more than anyone else.

PM me if you need to know anything.

[Badjelly]

OK guys, I got my learner licence now. Got all the questions correct and I got full party insurance.

Good on ya, mate!

[Banesto John]

Driver licence offences
All drivers must carry their licence with them when they drive on public roads. If you are found driving without your licence, you can be ticketed and face an infringement fee of $55.

It is interesting to note how policy announced when the new law was introduced has waned (no, not as in water falling from the sky).

The announced policy at the time the law was introduced was that if you were stopped for an offence and you were getting a ticket, AND you weren't carrying your licence, then you got the $55 fine as well. If you were stopped for a random stop, the policy (NOT the law) said you shouldn't get a ticket for not carrying.

Most cops don't seem to know that these days, as it's an old policy. Also don't forget, cops enforce law, not policy, so if they break policy you have no defence if you broke the law.

Interesting.

[YellowDog]

OK guys, I got my learner licence now. Got all the questions correct and I got full party insurance.

PS Edbear I live near you and I'm not a little shithead teenager that bases his life on rap music and tagging like most.

Mate, if you have got away with it, then that is great and I am happy for you.

Only you know your own circumstances and why you decided to take the actions you have. I would commend you for putting it right and say that you have been fortunate.

There has been some good advice on here and you would do well to follow it in your future decisions.

Try not to screw your life up. You quite often don't get a second chance!

Good luck.

[Sketchy_Racer]

how much is the fine for not displaying your L plate if your a learner while riding?

Everyone I know says to forget about it and if you get pulled over just say it must have fallen off.
Im guessing that by not displaying it you also put your insurance in jepordy?

I had a small prang when I first started out riding bikes. Came over a blind crest to find a stationary car. Im sure you can figure out the rest.

Short of the long is, Obviously my fault, went to claim insurance, they were informed that I didn't have a L plate on (Breaching conditions of licence) and then rejected my claim.

$2500 later and I had paid for the damage i had done (1969 Holden Camaro)

Now, I still havn't got my restricted bike licence and untill I do (very soon) Im not paying for insurance on my bike. Because I wont wear a L plate due to the fact of all the WANKERS you get trying to be the big tough guy when you have a L plate on. And also I can't do 100kph any where around a cop (there's lots of mufti cops during rush hour) So not displaying makes my insurance void, why the hell would I pay for it.

[rachprice]

pfft jewish people,

well I've done my basic handling test. I just havent got the money for the theory yet

I was the same till a few days ago (yay legal is always good). I didnt have the money either being a student doesnt help. But I was also lazy. I know the road rules I have a car license, the test is a joke anyway I know its not much of an excuse but eh, legal now so it doesnt matter!!

[sunhuntin]

I had a small prang when I first started out riding bikes. Came over a blind crest to find a stationary car. Im sure you can figure out the rest.

Short of the long is, Obviously my fault, went to claim insurance, they were informed that I didn't have a L plate on (Breaching conditions of licence) and then rejected my claim.

$2500 later and I had paid for the damage i had done (1969 Holden Camaro)

Now, I still havn't got my restricted bike licence and untill I do (very soon) Im not paying for insurance on my bike. Because I wont wear a L plate due to the fact of all the WANKERS you get trying to be the big tough guy when you have a L plate on. And also I can't do 100kph any where around a cop (there's lots of mufti cops during rush hour) So not displaying makes my insurance void, why the hell would I pay for it.

i got my learners in 2005. i got my restricted end of last year. in that time, i likely did well over 20,000k, give or take. i wore my l plate the entire time [check my avatar! that l plates been to paeroa, bluff and everywhere in between!]
i can honestly say that harrassment and attempted intimidation by cagers has neither reduced or increased since removing the plate.
if cagers do try stuff, then i react and use my own movements to show them i aint gonna play. if they get bad, i pull over and let them go. tricks include blocking, weaving, slamming the brakes on [dangerous, and not to be attempted unless necessary.] also, slowing down is used.

keep a sharp eye on your mirrors, as they may try to underpass, which is scary. thats where the weaving and blocking comes in.

o yeh, youd be nuts if your thinking i did those 20thousand k at 70kmh. hell, i even got overtaken by a cop while doing roughly 110k. [farkin strong winds from the side. a slower speed would have resulted in me kissing the ditch] so long as they can see you are in control, they will ignore it.

[Sketchy_Racer]

fair enough. can't say I feel the same about getting harrased with or without L plate.

I wore mine for one day and got under taken twice, and cut off a few times. Oddly it was mostly, I would say sports car, (but a civic lowerd with a big bore aint a sports car so), boyracer style cars with younger drivers

I've been pulled a few times for other reasons (wof reg check and once for lane splitting) and the cops have just ignored the L plate thing.. so meh.

won't be a issue soon though gonna get the risky!

[sunhuntin]

my first day on the bike was pretty shocking, but it was mainly nerves on my part. but yeh, i think, by the time i took it off, the plate was pretty invisible. aint much left, lol. damn tester nearly failed before we even started because of it.

oo, another trick is to try and leave annoyances behind. intersections can be good for this. if theres just enough room for you to get in safely, take it. i will often wait at a giveway until such a chance comes up, and then go at the last second.
had a taxi driver yesterday who decided he wanted to stop NEXT to me at a give way. i tried twice to leave him behind, and failed. in the end, i just slowed right down, and stayed in his line of sight. wank stain. had i been more onto it, i would stuck my gum to the passenger window.