Cheesecutters, that bad?

[Ixion]

Hit a few farm fences (not at warp speeds though, off road riding). They usually deflect or the posts break/pull out. Barbed wire ain't so bad, doesn't penetrate leather.

Other thing is, between farm fences and the road , is almost always a decent run off area. Which gives you a fighting chance to save it, or at least go down in relative safety. The cheesecutters you have zero space. They are right there a few inches from your leg.

(What you don't want to fall onto is an electric fence! DAMHIK)

[fireball]

I've thrown myself through a farmers fence at 200+kph and survived. The wire snapped. Wouldn't want to test the breaking point of a cheesecutter wire with a human body.

number 8 just stings a little eh i went through one as a kid had nice purple lines for months

[sunhuntin]

Getting pushed/cut off into one by a cage ?

or being on a group ride and having some dimrod go by on one wheel to prove hes the man? and then losing it over a bump sending innocent riders into a barrier

[Sidewinder]

HUN ?? sheesh bloody poof

Deer fences are fine, good for around race tracks like Paeroa so must be good

poof? damb u found out my secret...........

[Sidewinder]

hey homo, whats the greater chance, running wide, or crossing the middle of a motorway

running wide because most of these noobs cant go around corners on there fast bikes. pretty hard to hit the middle of the motorway and if you can do that your doing something realy fucking dumb

[carver]

or being on a group ride and having some dimrod go by on one wheel to prove hes the man? and then losing it over a bump sending innocent riders into a barrier

tell the world buddy

not many bumps on the motorway, and just as a fact, i have NEVER lost a wheelie, done em 2 up, stand ups, up to 130 kph, through the gearbox....

so cry me a river..carver did a wheelie..wahhhhh

[Deano]

or being on a group ride and having some dimrod go by on one wheel to prove hes the man? and then losing it over a bump sending innocent riders into a barrier

I've seen a dude nearly hit the wrb after a wheelie went wrong.

He pretty much WAS the man round these parts back then though....eh mate ?

[WelshWizard]

Originally Posted by rudolph
"There not up the middle of the motorway are they? there on farms you jackass"

Carver"hey homo, whats the greater chance, running wide, or crossing the middle of a motorway hey homo, whats the greater chance, running wide, or crossing the middle of a motorway"

First there is no need for either to stoop the level of personal insults, both have there own belief, no matter how flawed we may think they are.

Wire fence on country roads have alway been a problem but in the main they don't tend to have concreted in Iron post holding them in place, and they also don't tend to be at the same tension as the WRBs, they also don't have the twisted strands that change the wire into a primitive form of saw.

As for cost the WRB,s are a cheap skate alternative to safety, as they only have a short life span when compared to concrete barriers, they fail in this country because they do not even comply with the original design that calls for 3.5 meters between the road lane and the barrier themselves, when in the close distances they are used on in particular the Souther Motorway, they end up slingshotting anything not soft, that hits it back into the following traffic, and not the outer lane , but some where between the two lanes. and if in the case of the crash in Wellington on the 4th March end up closing the motorway, as it was not economic to take down the WRBs to allow the traffic to pass.( Dom Post state it would take 8 men to remove a section of WRBs were a Concrete Barrier could have been removed by one man with a lorry and Hiab.) How much did it cost the economy with lost production of the people caught up in the snarl up the crash caused, LTNZ don't have to cover those cost so they don't give a Sh!t.

As for the fact that you say they are only on straight section ( thats bad enough in its self) but they are on the corners, and going wide is not the main reason for losing it, Nor is doing a wheele at 30KPH, you have to consider the main reason Car pulls out in front of you because they don't check their mirror, you then have to swerve or get side swiped, or front wheel blow out, ( which is more common than most think, mainly due to a precious crash and the road not being cleared correctly, or lorries shedding some of it load) there are loads more reasons for failing to hold your line on a corner.
If you want to check up on cost then go view the video at the following link
http://www.safermotorways.co.uk/feature31_video_003.htm

Long term Concrete is cheaper and safer, and less costly to the economy of this country

[Deano]

Nice post WW - clear and concise reasoning - why is it so difficult for SOME PEOPLE to understand though ?

[Mike748]

I haven't seen or looked for any info on these WRB's but for me the wire isn't the issue.
It's the support posts and to make it worse they're at such close spacings!

You have absolutely no chance of sliding through or bouncing off without hitting a post or two.

Concrete barriers are the way to go, no contest.

I don't know how they got promoted but I bet it was political and not an engineering decision.

[All]

First there is no need for either to stoop the level of personal insults, both have there own belief, no matter how flawed we may think they are.

Wire fence on country roads have alway been a problem but in the main they don't tend to have concreted in Iron post holding them in place, and they also don't tend to be at the same tension as the WRBs, they also don't have the twisted strands that change the wire into a primitive form of saw.

As for cost the WRB,s are a cheap skate alternative to safety, as they only have a short life span when compared to concrete barriers, they fail in this country because they do not even comply with the original design that calls for 3.5 meters between the road lane and the barrier themselves, when in the close distances they are used on in particular the Souther Motorway, they end up slingshotting anything not soft, that hits it back into the following traffic, and not the outer lane , but some where between the two lanes. and if in the case of the crash in Wellington on the 4th March end up closing the motorway, as it was not economic to take down the WRBs to allow the traffic to pass.( Dom Post state it would take 8 men to remove a section of WRBs were a Concrete Barrier could have been removed by one man with a lorry and Hiab.) How much did it cost the economy with lost production of the people caught up in the snarl up the crash caused, LTNZ don't have to cover those cost so they don't give a Sh!t.

As for the fact that you say they are only on straight section ( thats bad enough in its self) but they are on the corners, and going wide is not the main reason for losing it, Nor is doing a wheele at 30KPH, you have to consider the main reason Car pulls out in front of you because they don't check their mirror, you then have to swerve or get side swiped, or front wheel blow out, ( which is more common than most think, mainly due to a precious crash and the road not being cleared correctly, or lorries shedding some of it load) there are loads more reasons for failing to hold your line on a corner.
If you want to check up on cost then go view the video at the following link
http://www.safermotorways.co.uk/feature31_video_003.htm

Long term Concrete is cheaper and safer, and less costly to the economy of this country

Since when has the government let good sense get in the way of policy making?

[All]

Wire fence on country roads have alway been a problem but in the main they don't tend to have concreted in Iron post holding them in place, and they also don't tend to be at the same tension as the WRBs, they also don't have the twisted strands that change the wire into a primitive form of saw.

As for cost the WRB,s are a cheap skate alternative to safety, as they only have a short life span when compared to concrete barriers, they fail in this country because they do not even comply with the original design that calls for 3.5 meters between the road lane and the barrier themselves, when in the close distances they are used on in particular the Souther Motorway, they end up slingshotting anything not soft, that hits it back into the following traffic, and not the outer lane , but some where between the two lanes. and if in the case of the crash in Wellington on the 4th March end up closing the motorway, as it was not economic to take down the WRBs to allow the traffic to pass.( Dom Post state it would take 8 men to remove a section of WRBs were a Concrete Barrier could have been removed by one man with a lorry and Hiab.) How much did it cost the economy with lost production of the people caught up in the snarl up the crash caused, LTNZ don't have to cover those cost so they don't give a Sh!t.

As for the fact that you say they are only on straight section ( thats bad enough in its self) but they are on the corners, and going wide is not the main reason for losing it, Nor is doing a wheele at 30KPH, you have to consider the main reason Car pulls out in front of you because they don't check their mirror, you then have to swerve or get side swiped, or front wheel blow out, ( which is more common than most think, mainly due to a precious crash and the road not being cleared correctly, or lorries shedding some of it load) there are loads more reasons for failing to hold your line on a corner.
If you want to check up on cost then go view the video at the following link
http://www.safermotorways.co.uk/feature31_video_003.htm

Long term Concrete is cheaper and safer, and less costly to the economy of this country

Since when has the government let good sense get in the way of policy making?

[Big Dog]

hey homo, whats the greater chance, running wide, or crossing the middle of a motorway

Interesting.
You have started a debate, yet you have descended to personal attacks because your view was not universally accepted...
Surely if you had a real point to make instead of just trawling for laughs you would have had a logical, factual and civilized answer.

What I hear when I read the above post is, I concede my point has no valid defence so I shall move on to a personal attack.

[sunhuntin]

tell the world buddy

not many bumps on the motorway, and just as a fact, i have NEVER lost a wheelie, done em 2 up, stand ups, up to 130 kph, through the gearbox....

so cry me a river..carver did a wheelie..wahhhhh

okay... so you are the man. wow... 130k, running the risk of the pillion sliding off the back. what an amazing awesome guy! the guiness world records should dedicate a page to you, o amazing wheelie puller

you honestly think anyone bar yourself is impressed by that?

[Big Dog]

running wide because most of these noobs cant go around corners on there fast bikes. pretty hard to hit the middle of the motorway and if you can do that your doing something realy fucking dumb

If people are having issues making it around corners I urge them to seek help from people who can give them guidance in how to do this better.
Taking down all the fences in NZ will not remove the problem of they either lack the skills to take the corner or the judgement to make the corner.
Some will be lucky enough to learn their lessons from fences, others will have to do so with moving vehicles.

Fear is a valid learning tool.

I have seen a fair few vehicles hit median barriers and for that matter fences.
Luckily I have never seen a bike do it to a barrier.

The vast majority of the vehicles that hit barriers were because they had a mechanical fault or there was an undue interference by other drivers before hand. I.E. the driver of the vehicle that hit the barrier was not behaving strangely or illegally.

All of the vehicles that I have seen hit wire barriers have been write offs.
Most of those I have seen hit other kinds of barrier the car was repairable.

Personally I have never thought that the wire rope barriers were an intelligent option. There is flawed mentality in their installation.
I have seen photos of an MX5 that made it to the other side.
Fortunately I was being shown by the driver.
Nope no a pillar.
Nope no steering column.
Yes the top 3 inches were pushed flat or severed.

The guy was feeling very lucky to be alive after being shunted by a faster moving vehicle.