KB = Mourning

[Mom]

I'd rather be having sex when I depart than sitting at work or mowing lawns.

Me too mate, me too!!

It is very interesting to read what you (with all due respect ) oldtimers think of the matter. You all seem to have lost mates to motorcycling one way or the other. I wonder how many of these people you would have gotten to know if you never had gotten into motorcycling in the first place?

I wear old timer with a tiny bit of pride. I have been fortunate in only saying goodbye to one mate from a bike accident. It was the saddest thing, and something that I will never forget, it is 27 years this past Jan 20th he died, straightening out a corner in a rush for work, met a car swinging wide. He was 18 years old and the most lovely guy! I miss his potential talking about him tonight!

I have buried many more friends over the years, for many and varied reasons. I have also buried my step father, and my father within a month of each other a couple of years ago.
You can die, or sadly in this day and age, be killed in many ways, every day, any day.

You have some pertinent insights. One thing as a biker is we forget of the impact on our families and friends when we make those serious mistakes. Having screwed up and made one of those mistakes I have put real pressure on the ones I love. This one of the hardest things I have to live with.

No mate, I watched what you have been up to on TV the other day, you have nothing to hang your head about at all!

Slower is faster - you tend to actually arrive.

Slower is the new FAST!!!!!!!!! That is how I ride, and my slow is S L O W! I have a lot of living left in me yet! LOL

[Boob Johnson]

I actually believe sites like this have something to do with it.

Hey so why don't you FUCK OFF then if this site is so bad, you are a broken record of the worst kind, someone ban this moron once and for all

Apparently this site is the cause of an increase in motorcycle deaths according to Katman!!! LMFAO!!! Is this moron for real??? How can so many of you sit by & listen to his bullshit?

Mate if anything this site would do the exact opposite & if it didn't how the HELL would you know, nothing more than a complete & utter wild stab in the dark.

But I still feel that while inexcusable behaviour is exactly that, inexcusable, you will never weed it out of mankind.

Will someone beat Katman to death with that statement!

I doubt that any person who has attended a fatal accident has seen what could be described as a smile on the deceased's face.

Once again you miss the boat

Shall we spell it out for you Katman? Or would you just like to cling to ANYTHING remotely in the ball park to your bandwagon

So the German soldiers said "Mutti", the Italian soldiers said...............

Anecdotal maybe, but you know exactly what I'm trying to say.

Yes & it's a fucking broken record mate. You say it on a near daily basis irrelevant of another "biker down" thread.


A "biker down" thread is to pay respect's to the dead & their family's & is actually a healthy reminder to take it easy out there, we don't need a fuckwit like you crapping on every two minutes about how idiot riders are giving other sensible riders a bad name. As said previously your rantings Katman actually have nothing to do with the topic but more about your own health/mortality.

[SixPackBack]

On a different vein I must say I FOR ME disagree with Sixpacback Regarding closing a meeting down if I was to die.
I know there is NO comparison but I was absolutely gutted when told that my accident in may caused the cancellation of the Vic Club meeting that day.
If I died I would hope that the meeting carried on.

So putting aside the obvious difference in opinion for a moment, are we saying that when your accident occurred they stopped the meeting [and with due respect], when two people are killed we carry on as normal.
I find that certifiably insane.....do the organisers make it up as they go along? are there no standards for when a meeting is stopped? what an appropriate response is to a given situation?

FFS I would have thought the organisers at Puke would have had 2 minutes silence, maybe a coupla slow laps of all the bikes, at the least an announcement out of respect for the fallen! It appears they cleaned up and carried on like nothing has happened?

[FROSTY:Me]

So putting aside the obvious difference in opinion for a moment, are we saying that when your accident occurred they stopped the meeting [and with due respect], when two people are killed we carry on as normal.

not quite that simple dude -the pukie accident was basicly a one off freak
--A terrible freak but none the less a freak.
My accident was number 27 --Yes 27 within a 3 hour period.
I think me laying out cold for a few minutes was the final straw.
I must add that most of the accidents were strictly due to track conditions.

[Number One]

have had 2 minutes silence, maybe a coupla slow laps of all the bikes, at the least an announcement out of respect for the fallen! It appears they cleaned up and carried on like nothing has happened?

I'm surprised to hear that nothing like this did happen....

[terbang]

Im buying a adventure bike ! (not thats a super safe option) I could see clearly there was ZERO future in sportsbikes on the road. ZERO

Yup I did that, went from a Hayabusa to what I'm riding now. Loved that Busa to bits but I was gonna kill myself. The Cagiva has opened up many more opportunities and interests and it has certainly slowed me down to my own level of competence and confidence. Thats part of the answer, recognizing it and making a change.

[Qkkid]

Its been 2yrs 2 months since me bin i am glad i survived it. It could of been a different scenario 6 inches to the right. Since then i have done a further 35,000 kms on my 1000cc bike. I dont have the scares or frights any more. I still ride quick at times but only on roads i know well. I also think more about my wife and family when i get on my bike. Dawn used to say i had nothing between my ears when i rode. I used to tell her dont be silly, she was right Its not nice coming around the corner finding out that its your partner in the ditch hurt. For that i was a thoughtless prick. Thats why we are taking up Adventure riding time to smell the roses. We will still ride our sportsbikes but the desire has changed.
Nice to reflect and think Quasi

[Mikkel]

Its not just about death from a bike accident, but life long debilitating injuries.

Getting snuffed out in an instant by slamming into a truck is one thing, but then I think of my friend here in Masterton, who is in a wheel chair for life with no bladder control and a gimp arm. She spent ONE YEAR in hospital and suffered great emotional pain as well as the physical.

I do realise that a severely debilitating accident would probably be worse for both me and anyone who cares for me. You don't know me, but I think anyone who does would agree that me being tied to a wheelchair would be a bad bad bad idea, unless my mind disappeared together with my mobility.

I still accept it. Unless you sit down and wrap yourself in cotton wool you're eligible to get hurt, maimed or killed... The difference with a motorcycle is that it's sometimes not a freak accident but poor judgement on behalf of the rider that causes shit to happen. I find that strangely comforting in a way.
If you get hurt badly walking on the sidewalk it's most likely because someone else has made the decision for you...

I'd rather regret doing something today than regret not doing it tomorrow. And today I want to go motorcycling!

I wear old timer with a tiny bit of pride.

And so should you! There's that saying about bold and old riders...
I hope in time I will be able to consider myself an oldtimer with kids that ride... And I hope I won't be an angry old man at that time! If I stopped doing what I like because of the potential risks I'm sure I grow angry over time.

[SixPackBack]

not quite that simple dude -the pukie accident was basicly a one off freak
--A terrible freak but none the less a freak.
My accident was number 27 --Yes 27 within a 3 hour period.
I think me laying out cold for a few minutes was the final straw.
I must add that most of the accidents were strictly due to track conditions.

I understand. So unless a serious OSH hazard presents itself racing goes on regardless?
I'm sorry FROSTY but what happened at Puke at the weekend would have to be one of the most disgraceful shows of arrogance and callousness ever witnessed. People died and that needed to be recognised, reflected upon. Not scrape the poor buggers off the track and keep racing with little regard for family, freinds, spectators and track officials.

Human life is infinitely more important than a second rate bike meet in some dusty corner of the world.

[Joni]

Human life is infinitely more important than a second rate bike meet in some dusty corner of the world.

I agree.... not about the second rate part, but the value of life.

However, that seems to be the way its done... there was a tragic death last year at Puke too, where a young sidecar swinger died.

The racing was not called off, even though there was a terrible feeling among all the riders.

[Jimmy B]

Hey so why don't you FUCK OFF




Will someone beat Katman to death with that statement!



Once again you miss the boat

Shall we spell it out for you Katman? Or would you just like to cling to ANYTHING remotely in the ball park to your bandwagon


Yes & it's a fucking broken record mate. You say it on a near daily basis irrelevant of another "biker down" thread.


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Hey BJ this thread is open to anyone to express their thoughts on Qausi’s topic, including Katman.

At the risk of appearing hypocritical, why don’t you back off and focus your comments on adding to the topic rather than singling out another member who has as much right to express their ideas as anyone else.

If we all just focus on the topic rather than one upping someone else then this place will be much better for it. I am sure that you have plenty of experiences to share and I for one want to hear about them.

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[90s]

Hey BJ this thread is open to anyone to express their thoughts on Qausi’s topic, including Katman.

At the risk of appearing hypocritical, why don’t you back off and focus your comments on adding to the topic rather than singling out another member who has as much right to express their ideas as anyone else.

If we all just focus on the topic rather than one upping someone else then this place will be much better for it. I am sure that you have plenty of experiences to share and I for one want to hear about them.

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I agree with Jimmy B. If you examine the data I posted earlier there is a credible thesis behind Katman's (somewhat wearying at times but well intentioned) diatribe:
KB = meeting of middle-aged bikers on big bikes egging each other on on group rides = high accident rate, and more likely to be fatalities.
The data supports all of the above.

This does not mean it is true. But it does mean, like Frosty, we should stop and think a bit.
Because in many other ways, ie. by drawing attention to a possible problem likes this, this site reiforces much positive.

[Boob Johnson]

Hey BJ this thread is open to anyone to express their thoughts on Qausi’s topic, including Katman.

At the risk of appearing hypocritical, why don’t you back off and focus your comments on adding to the topic rather than singling out another member who has as much right to express their ideas as anyone else.

If we all just focus on the topic rather than one upping someone else then this place will be much better for it. I am sure that you have plenty of experiences to share and I for one want to hear about them.

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Is that some kind of joke? So you actually agree that KB'er incites us to ride like maniacs, encourages us to ride irresponsibly? Sorry mate but that is complete & UTTER rubbish. Yes he is entitled to an opinion like anyone else but when it's the same BS over and over and over again it gets a little old. I dare you to go over Katman's post's, all of them (it won't take long until you see the pathetic pattern) & then you might just get the picture, including the massive amount of red rep he has received from the community including being dressed down by many other members + multiple infractions from the mods.

[Ixion]

The deep irony of this is that Mr Johnson is precisely the sort of rider that Mr Katman is (futilely) trying to protect from the consequences of their own folly. The rider who totalled his 250 , and himself (it was , of course, the 'other persons fault', since he was not breaking the speed limit and therefore should have been perfectly safe): and then , in a wonderful example of squidly logic, decided that the cure for his incompetence was to buy a 900!

The reaction shows why Mr Katman is attempting the impossible. Only pain or death will desquid a squid. None so blind as they who will not see.

The most that can be hoped for is that Mr Johnson and his like will have a crash that, whilst it does not seriously injure, frightens them enough that they realise how ghey they always thought motorcycles were and go back to the phish-phish cages (I do not wish a crash on anyone, but some riders one just knows that a succession of crashes is inevitable) . And that , perhaps, some of the more sensible novices will get Mr Katman's message. And may, perhaps, still be out there riding 50 years form now.

[WelshWizard]

Im interested in the thoughts of my fellow Bikers about this subject.
Ive been a biker for, hell ,EVER being an old bugger I have been around for a while and it seems to me that the last few years have been quite tragic there have been many close friends and fellow bikers being seriously hurt and or killed.
When I first joined KB about 5 years ago it seems to me (bad memory syndrome) that we never really had as much serious carnage certainly not like what we do now,and these days its on a reasonable regular basis.
For me In the last ,.....say 2 years I have lost a fair number of mates from motorbike crashes, why and hows arent what this thread is about,
this thread is saying the more you get into the Motorcycling world via racing forums etc the more mates you will loose as a result of crashes, it seems obvious to me know that this is the price I pay for knowing so many bikers, the trouble is Im not sure how comfortable I am paying this price anymore.
I can name these guys whom I have known that have been hurt or who have died recently
Not in Order

Flyin (died)
OldFart (died)
Loosebruce (died)
Shaun Harris (seriously injured)
DSS3 (Died)
Stonechucker (seriusly injured)
MotoBob (seriously injured)
UncleB (died)
Derek hill (died)
inlinefour (seriously injured)
Oarbreaker (died)
Skelstar (seriously injured)
Razya (died)

(anyone not there I forgot, or didnt actually know them)

8 Dead
5 badly Injured

Thats just guys I know, some very closely and some as online mates. But all I have met.

So whats this all about, well its a wake up call, its a hey guys be careful............NO NO seriously........ Be careful !!
This is getting mental and deeply worrying, for me at least, I mean who of you is next ? based on the above it will only be a few weeks before one of you dies, horrible thing to say isnt it? but im afraid its reality.

In light of the last few days with the recent deaths at Pukekohe I guess its made the heart feel even heavier and has got me thinking whats around the corner for me, who is it next, is it me? when do I get another phone call or read a post about another incident, kinda depressing aint it?

thats about it, little Quasi bleet over

in a Somber mood, but not depressed (for the record)

Back in the 50's and 60's it wa no safer, of the guys and gal that I rode with about 36 hardcore and maybe 20 parttime riders of the 36 hard core only about 9 of us are still standing,
get rid of the easy ones firts
Lost.
2 heart attacks (fatal)
1 Stroke ( Fatal 3 months to pass)
3 Killed on the Prom in Cheltenham (not riding a bike)
2 Car Crashes ( fatal)
1 Horse rideing accident ( Broken Neck fatal)
2 Broken backs ( not fatal but life in a chair sucks , one who knew he was going to be a quad was begging his mates to get a wrench and finish him off before the meat wagon arrived, they did,nt but I know some wish it had been done as he has never spoken to the ones who were with him at the time since)
15 Motorcycle crashes (Fatal)
Strangly apart from the heart attacks , stroke, the street fight on the Prom and horse rideing accident they all died before the mid 1970's

and its was the mid sixties before they died, once motorways and other restrictive laws like a speed limit, helmet law were imposed, also the intro of the Austin Mini helped as instead of starting on a motorcycle it was now possible to start with a small car and drivers never got the extra edge of being aware of motorcycles on the road, hence more often than not they come up with the Classic "But I did'nt see him" after a crash