Ticket culkture / safety culture?

[Grahameeboy]

is speeding a crime?

Yes you plonker (said in the nicest possible way of course)...crime = breaking the law...

[Goblin]

Now ain't thata load of codswallop, I can ride for 15-20 minutes without glancing at my speedo - and when I do my speed is between 95 - 105 kph.

I thought you women could multi-task, what's the problem with flicking your eyes at the speedo while flossing your teeth/txting/adjusting your silk scarf??

Yeah but you ride a Harley.

For me it's different in the car. I can stick to 100 easily, until I get held up by slow BMW/Pajero/Libero...or whatever drivers. I dont do the texting while driving. Hell I dont even tune my radio for fear of drifting over the road. Ive only ever had speeding tickets on my bike and its always less than 20ks over and never a risk to other road users.

Funny, I took my boys to Taupo in the car a couple of weeks ago and my 10 year old told me he feels safer on the back of my bike than in the car. I feel the same.

[davereid]

Talking something up can make it worse - those anti smoking ads just caused me to relapse when I'd quit for a couple of years. They just kept suggesting the subject, so I gave in.

I laughed when I read that - Mrs R. and I notice that whenever they put an anti drink advert on the telly we are reminded to top up our drinks !

And those damn signs that tell you how fast you are going - don't you feel like a failure if they aren't flashing "slow down" ? Nothing worse than realising you have been driving to the conditions, not the speed limit and may have slipped down to 95 ! Time to check that speedo and gas it !

[Ixion]

I challenge you to try the same on a modern 600-1000. Neither the motorcycle nor the rider can accomplish this without spending an excess on their concentration window. Far easier and safer to let the riding flow.

Or on a BMW. With the screen up, there is no perceptable difference between , say, 80kph and 130kph. There is a slight difference in the noise of the tyres on the road at higher speeds (which is the only noise that is noticeable), but it is MUCH less than the difference caused by different seal surfaces, so offers no indication of speed. Which is one reason why I usually ride with the screen down, so increasing wind noise gives a speed indication.

[Usarka]

Yes you plonker (said in the nicest possible way of course)...crime = breaking the law...

Sorry delboy, my understanding of the definition of crime in this country is any indictable offence.

An often used way of defining (but technically incorrect) also includes summary offences, which basically means any offence which gets brought before a court.

10kph over will not get you before a court unless you are also driving dangerously but then that will be a separate charge, though i believe (could be wrong) that is still a summary offence and uber-technically still not a crime.

So even in the broader accepted defintion, speeding is not a crime.

And therefore one could if so inclined argue that police resources are often allocated to non-criminal offences above criminal ones......

[FJRider]

Correction. One of these has a victim, one of these do not. So there is a difference, can anyone spot it?

Did you not think the cop got to you, before you got to the victim???

[FJRider]

And so helped by those so willing to donate...

AND OFTEN !!!!!

[Banesto John]

And therefore one could if so inclined argue that police resources are often allocated to non-criminal offences above criminal ones...... [/QUOTE]

Yes, the police do non-criminal stuff. Like teaching kids not to smoke. It's called the DARE programme.

It's non criminal, so now tell me we shouldn't have cops in schools telling kids how to live their lives.

[Usarka]

Yes, the police do non-criminal stuff. Like teaching kids not to smoke. It's called the DARE programme.

It's non criminal, so now tell me we shouldn't have cops in schools telling kids how to live their lives.

A lot of the dare program is about criminal stuff like drugs

[FJRider]

Sorry delboy, my understanding of the definition of crime in this country is any indictable offence.

An often used way of defining (but technically incorrect) also includes summary offences, which basically means any offence which gets brought before a court.

10kph over will not get you before a court unless you are also driving dangerously but then that will be a separate charge, though i believe (could be wrong) that is still a summary offence and uber-technically still not a crime.

So even in the broader accepted defintion, speeding is not a crime.

And therefore one could if so inclined argue that police resources are often allocated to non-criminal offences above criminal ones......

Speeding is a "Traffic Infringement". Criminal is when you dont pay the fine.

10 km over WILL get you before the court, if you wish to argue the case.

Highway Patrol staff are usually allocated to traffic duties with general duties staff "helping" when silly people are seen doing silly things. Or in the less populated areas. That is MY understanding, I may be corrected on this.

AND Broadly accepted, doesn't make it fact

[Usarka]

Speeding is a "Traffic Infringement". Criminal is when you dont pay the fine.

10 km over WILL get you before the court, if you wish to argue the case.

Highway Patrol staff are usually allocated to traffic duties with general duties staff "helping" when silly people are seen doing silly things. Or in the less populated areas. That is MY understanding, I may be corrected on this.

AND Broadly accepted, doesn't make it fact

lol fuck the fish are biting tonight. You get a too....

ok, ignore the broadly accepted part and lets talk in legal definitions. Speeding is NOT a criminal offence. fact.

[Coyote]

If Traffic Policing was wiped so would about 1/2 of Police positions as they wouldn't be justified.

So those burgs etc wouldn't be getting attended any quicker.

Can't seem to get that through to people.

So people speeding means more policeman, which means more on the job seeing to burglary's and other such crimes?

See? Speeding ain't so bad. I'm doing it for the children.

[spudchucka]

Nowadays they wear the same uniform

Apparently all the cars are going to be the same colours too. No more oranges and lemons!

[Swoop]

And those damn signs that tell you how fast you are going - don't you feel like a failure if they aren't flashing "slow down"?

Do they actually have a setting that reads anything else but "SLOW!"?

Never seen that happen.

Non (P/T).

[Grahameeboy]

Sorry delboy, my understanding of the definition of crime in this country is any indictable offence.

An often used way of defining (but technically incorrect) also includes summary offences, which basically means any offence which gets brought before a court.

10kph over will not get you before a court unless you are also driving dangerously but then that will be a separate charge, though i believe (could be wrong) that is still a summary offence and uber-technically still not a crime.

So even in the broader accepted defintion, speeding is not a crime.

And therefore one could if so inclined argue that police resources are often allocated to non-criminal offences above criminal ones......

You were saying...

Crime is the breach of a rule or law for which a punishment may ultimately be prescribed by some governing authority or force. The word crime originates from the Latin crimen (genitive criminis), from the Latin root cernō and Greek κρινω = "I judge". Originally it meant "charge (in law), guilt, accusation."