I'm an idiot

[mark247]

I think that's the point he was trying to get across. It's not the speed that does the damage...it's the sudden stop.

Yea but ya gotta have speed to have a sudden stop dont ya

saying that speed doesnt kill but the stopping does is like saying that smoking doesnt kill but the lung cancer does.

[PrincessBandit]

And your point is??? (referring to the title of the thread "I'm an idiot")

[Ixion]

Yes. That would be a valid point if you were advocating that folk should only ride at a SAFE speed . But as that is less than 10kph, I do not think you are.

Those who say "Oh speed kills", always have an unspoken corollary, that so long as you stick to the speed limit, you will be OK.

Now, I will set you a little task. Get on your bike, and run head first into a good solid brick wall at 100kph (at point of impact). Now, get up and do the same at 150kph. Tell me if there is any difference

But, you will say, I cannot do that, because the first crash will have killed me.

Just so. For practical purposes, putting side men walking in front with red flags there is no such thing as a "safe speed" or a "dangerous speed". 100kph is just as dangerous (or as safe) as 150kph. All speed is dangerous, and there is an unbroken continuum from timid nana at one end to suicidal maniac at the other.

None of us, even the most antispeed, be prepared to travel everywhere at < 10kph. So we all accept some degree of danger in return for the convenience of practical transport. We variously, depending on temperament pick a point on that continuum where we consider that, for us (and maybe no-one else), the trade off of danger versus convenience is acceptable. And in some cases we will actively seek to lessen the danger implicit in our choice by various means. Others will not, because they don't "speed" and are therefore safe anyway.

Moreover the degree of danger implicit in any stated speed is constantly variable. If today , a speed of 100kph on road X under conditions Y has a danger rating of 10.0 OhFucks (the accepted SI unit for measuring comparative danger ) , tomorrow that same road may be 20 OhFucks (and thus more dangerous), because of a change in conditions. And the next bit of road, today , may be only 5 OhFucks

So the rider who rides sometimes at 200kph, and other times at 60kph , may in fact be a more risk adverse rider than the man of rides everywhere at 100kph "because I want to be safe and speed kills".

Specify WHAT speed, for WHAT rider, on WHAT road under WHAT conditions, and I may agree with you that that speed is more dangerous than I would care to accept. But, others may have a higher risk tolerance than I , and who am I (or you) to say that they are wrong.

[Ixion]

Yea but ya gotta have speed to have a sudden stop dont ya

saying that speed doesnt kill but the stopping does is like saying that smoking doesnt kill but the lung cancer does.

No, it is not speed that is the problem, nor the sudden stop. It is poor judgement, failing to select an appropriate speed .

[Goblin]

Yea but ya gotta have speed to have a sudden stop dont ya

saying that speed doesnt kill but the stopping does is like saying that smoking doesnt kill but the lung cancer does.

FFS! Conception kills! From the moment we are born we are going to die. If you cant manage the risks of LIFE then go wrap yourself in cotton wool and bubble wrap and dont bother with dangerous stuff like motorcycling.

[mark247]

No, it is not speed that is the problem, nor the sudden stop. It is poor judgement, failing to select an appropriate speed .

I agree.

FFS! Conception kills! From the moment we are born we are going to die. If you cant manage the risks of LIFE then go wrap yourself in cotton wool and bubble wrap and dont bother with dangerous stuff like motorcycling.

Well i wouldn't go that far....

[Goblin]

I agree.
Well i wouldn't go that far....

So this "blanket" speed of 100kph is a crock of shit. It's dangerous to take some open road corners at 50k yet safe as to take others at 180k but that's illegal...and profitable for the revenue gatherers and lawyers.

So jade made a bad judgment...and got caught. He has freely admitted this and will pay the consequence and hopefully learn to pick his time and place next time.

[jade]

See, I didnt lose my licence even though I did 170
only charge is 'exceeding 100kmph posted speed limit'

the maximum fine was 1000 bucks and I got 980
and I expect 50 demerits

Im well chuffed with this because theoretically that night I could have got..

DIC'd
No Rego
No Warrant
No L plate
L Driver driving after 10pm
L driver exceeds 70kph

Now that would have sucked..
The good news is I am 100pc legit now with a restricted licence
the bad news is I got a fine the other day coming home from taupo
had been at the motott trackday, was driving my dads truck and towing bike..
pinged at 104 when meant to be doing 90, I disliked this cop.

[Pedrostt500]

I thought tthat twice the speed limit was imediate dangerous driving so may be bye bye licence for maybe 6 months or more.

[peasea]

See, I didnt lose my licence even though I did 170
only charge is 'exceeding 100kmph posted speed limit'

the maximum fine was 1000 bucks and I got 980
and I expect 50 demerits

Im well chuffed with this because theoretically that night I could have got..

DIC'd
No Rego
No Warrant
No L plate
L Driver driving after 10pm
L driver exceeds 70kph

Now that would have sucked..
The good news is I am 100pc legit now with a restricted licence
the bad news is I got a fine the other day coming home from taupo
had been at the motott trackday, was driving my dads truck and towing bike..
pinged at 104 when meant to be doing 90, I disliked this cop.

Your original post said "Northbound on the bridge, clocked at 170" but isn't the bridge an 80k zone? I know, I've been pinged there. So, you're 90k over the limit, that's out there and I have to hand it to you. People like me only get 111kph tickets, end up in court, lose the license, pay heaps and I'm picking you're in the top 10%, blah, blah, blah, ad infinitum.

Ahh, kiwi justice, it's just the best. (Joke, that is...)

[Gubb]

DIC'd
No Rego
No Warrant
No L plate
L Driver driving after 10pm
L driver exceeds 70kph

You we're Drunk?

Fucking idiot.

[RT527]

See, I didnt lose my licence even though I did 170
only charge is 'exceeding 100kmph posted speed limit'

the maximum fine was 1000 bucks and I got 980
and I expect 50 demerits

Im well chuffed with this because theoretically that night I could have got..

DIC'd
No Rego
No Warrant
No L plate
L Driver driving after 10pm
L driver exceeds 70kph

Now that would have sucked..
The good news is I am 100pc legit now with a restricted licence
the bad news is I got a fine the other day coming home from taupo
had been at the motott trackday, was driving my dads truck and towing bike..
pinged at 104 when meant to be doing 90, I disliked this cop.

And the reason you disliked this cop is ....??????( gee he`s breaking the law and he gets a ticket, and he dislikes the cop....dble idiot if ya ask me).

[90s]

See, I didnt lose my licence even though I did 170
only charge is 'exceeding 100kmph posted speed limit'

Looks as though the sensible cop (in this case) agreed that you were not riding dangerously for the conditions ("drive to the conditions" is the other mantra of course - and a good one except it has a 100kph cut off that undermines it somewhat ...). As Ixion has been trying to explain, context is all.

Once you break the speed limit you are liable to the consequenes, so good on you Jade for simply taking it. I won't comment on your previous riding history etc when so many others have been willing to.

I would take the below advice with a pinch of salt too, although it is generally good the cops here are not likely to shoot you or ram you off the roads in order to kill you (see other threads & US paper articles ...)

Things you need:

radar detector, license plate tucked away where it cant be seen, etc.......

Never speed by a cop when:
...

4. Riding in an area where speed is enforced by aircrat (rotary wing or prop driven).....migth not be an issue in NZ.
5. Riding in an area known for bad-ass cops in general. (like areas of Virginia and NC)
6. Riding in an area where the police have Corvettes, Mustangs, Chargers, etc.....Again, might not be an issue in NZ

And look out for those aircrats!
The police here can't afford those prop planes - even the airforce here can't afford aircraft, and the crats or even more expensive.

[Indoo]

Looks as though the sensible cop (in this case) agreed that you were not riding dangerously for the conditions...

Sounds like a horrible cop to me whose not doing his job if the facts pointed out above are true. A learner rider breaching all the conditions of his license, riding in excess of 90kmh over the posted speed limit, on a bike without a warrant, on a busy stretch of road and to top it all off was also drunk.

Should have arrested, charged and ended up with a conviction and lengthy loss of license as well as community service or similar. One or two of the factors taking on their own (excusing the alcohol) you might be able to excuse but all of them? thats more than just merely dangerous its like playing Russian roulette with the lives of everyone else out on the road that night.

[jade]

I was not drunk, I had 3 beers, over a decent amount of time, I normally would only have 1, I would not get on 2 wheels drunk