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    i read that yesterday at work, and then spent most of the rest of my free shift time writing on paper stolen from my bosses book, lol.

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    i am writing in response to the letter from dennis davis [dom post, march 28 2008]

    he has several major faults in his facts reguarding wire rope barriers.

    point 1: the barrier on centennial highway. international facts recommend a minimum of 3 meter allowance either side to allow for distortion when hit. on centennial highway, this means the impacting vehicle would be in the opposing lane by the time the 3 meter distortion has been completed.

    point 2: studying overseas reports. i call transits bluff on this. if transit was paying attention to overseas reports, they would know many countries have banned them and are in the process of replacing or altering to make them safe for ALL road users.

    point 3: they pose no more danger to motorcyclists then other barriers. again, i call transits bluff. at any speed above 70k, its a guarantee that any motorcyclist who hits it will, at best, lose a limb. at worst, it will cost a life. im sure the general public wont mind motorcyclists riding at the safe speed of 50km in places where wire ropes are erected.

    point 4: cost is not a factor. wire rope barriers ARE cheaper to install than concrete. however, over a timeframe of even a year, the installation savings have been eaten up by repair costs. everytime a wire rope barrier gets impacted, it needs to be repaired. concrete does not.

    point 5: roadside barriers protecting users from hazards. i have not once seen a site where wire ropes were more suitable than concrete. other than to preserve the view for tourists, that is.

    myself and many other motorcyclists have been campaigning against wire rope barriers since danial evans died as a result of hitting a wire riope barrier. had that not been there, he would still be with his friends and family today. and i know we will continue our cause until we see the barriers either removed or covered to make them safe for 100% of road users. i only hope this happens before another innocent person loses their life to a barrier.
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    Can someone provide a link to the original concrete guy article. I can't find it.
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    It would seem the Dom Post is pay to view so if some one has a scan of it and puts it on Photofuckit and post a link most of us who never read it can see what they are on about.

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    Not privy to the Dom's electric version.
    Sometimes Stuff caches articles otherwise not directly available, not this time it seems, however two other recent articles now seem useful in light of the recent Transit missive...

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/4424105a23918.html

    "The delay motorists faced was the price you pay for a wire rope median barrier. We could not right the truck, it had to be towed away."

    About eight men would have been needed to remove one section of the barrier, he said.

    Kapiti Emergency Medical Services director Chris Lane said that, though a concrete barrier would have been more expensive, sections would have been easier to remove in emergencies.


    http://www.stuff.co.nz/4254703a6479.html

    "Transit announced in 2005 that it would spend $15.2 million to extend the barrier along the entire stretch (of the southern end of the Centenial highway). The project was delayed by planning changes, and work started this May at a cost of $14.5 million."
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    first one

    Peak-hour traffic delays of up to two hours after a crash on Centennial Highway could not be prevented because of the new wire rope median barrier, emergency services say.

    Hundreds of motorists were delayed yesterday when a truck flipped on to its roof alongside the new wire rope median barrier installed along the entire stretch of road south of Paekakariki last year. The small truck in the southbound lane clipped a bank and flipped, straddling the lane, about 8am, Sergeant Des O'Sullivan said.

    The truck driver suffered a suspected broken collarbone and was taken to Wellington Hospital along with two passengers who had minor injuries.

    Mr O'Sullivan said the rope median barrier stopped southbound traffic going around the truck. "The delay motorists faced was the price you pay for a wire rope median barrier. We could not right the truck, it had to be towed away."

    About eight men would have been needed to remove one section of the barrier, he said.

    Kapiti Emergency Medical Services director Chris Lane said that, though a concrete barrier would have been more expensive, sections would have been easier to remove in emergencies.

    Paekakariki Volunteer Fire Brigade chief Ash Richardson said: "There will be teething problems, every crash is different, but the delays were pretty much unpreventable. It would have been too dangerous to remove a section of the wire rope barrier. There would not have been a lot of gain. "

    Emergency response representatives will meet this week to discuss procedures.


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    A wire rope median barrier will finally be extended along the entire stretch of Wellington's Centennial Highway - nearly two years after Transit New Zealand announced it would be extended.

    Work started last night on erecting the barrier posts along the southern end of the highway. The work will take a week and will be done at night to reduce inconvenience for motorists.

    "It is fantastic news," said Chris Lane, who as director of Kapiti Emergency Medical Services has attended most accidents on the road during the past 16 years.

    "As soon as it is erected, the potential for fatalities and serious injuries on the road will drop back to a negligible level."

    The benefits of the barrier have already been seen - since Transit erected a 700-metre trial section of wire rope median at the southern end of Centennial Highway in 2004, there has not been a fatal crash on that stretch of road.

    Vehicles had struck the wire barrier 15 times with possible deadly collisions prevented. The trial section was put in place after seven people died on the highway in 2004, sparking a public outcry. Wellington coroner Garry Evans said the deaths could have been prevented if a median had been in place.

    Transit announced in 2005 that it would spend $15.2 million to extend the barrier along the entire stretch. The project was delayed by planning changes, and work started this May at a cost of $14.5 million.

    Project manager Terry McGavin said the overall project had taken 62 weeks, including widening the road and reinforcing the hillside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    Can someone provide a link to the original concrete guy article. I can't find it.
    No link - but hope you can read the scan I took
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSTRS View Post
    No link - but hope you can read the scan I took
    Good stuff. OK, where's my quill and horn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    Good stuff. OK, where's my quill and horn.
    Try this...

    Concrete barriers safest option
    PATRICK McGUIRE
    SEVERAL recent road accidents on our highways have highlighted the need for an urgent reassessment of the type of median barriers being installed throughout the roading network.

    These incidents have prompted road user groups, such as the Bikers Rights Association, to call for the wire-rope barriers to be replaced with concrete barriers to improve road safety. They reiterate the position of the Automobile Association and some emergency services specialists, which have advocated in favour of concrete barriers as the safest device for median strips.

    One particularly tragic crash, on Auckland’s Southern Motorway last October, resulted in the death of a young motorcyclist, who lost control of his vehicle and collided with the wire-rope barrier beside the road.

    Another crash on the same stretch of highway involved a truck smashing through the wire-rope median barrier, and colliding with cars approaching in the opposite direction on the other carriageway —a ‘‘cross-over’’ accident.

    And recently an accident on Centennial Highway north of Wellington led to a major traffic jam because the wire-rope barrier prevented traffic from being diverted around a crashed vehicle.

    There is clearly an urgent need for authorities to reconsider their policies on road safety barriers, as steadily growing traffic volumes on our motorways and arterial routes will inevitably result in more frequent cross-over accidents.

    The cost of failing to address this important road safety issue is too great, not only for the people directly affected by the horrific smashes, but also for the health system and the wider economy.

    While there has been significant investment in roading infrastructure in the past few years, there has not been the same level of investment in the most effective road safety barriers — those made from concrete.

    The wide-scale introduction of concrete road safety barriers will require a different approach from decision-makers, however, who have traditionally given preference to perceived lower initial costs when choosing the type of barrier. This focus has led to a proliferation of the wire-rope barriers along our highways, as concrete barriers are about twice as expensive to install.

    BUT long-term safety performance and lower life cycle costs, both key advantages of building with concrete, must be taken into account when making these decisions.

    There is a groundswell of international opinion in support of the benefits of concrete road barriers over alternatives such as steel and wire-rope barriers. In Norway, for instance, wire-rope barriers have been banned and are being gradually replaced, while in other countries wire-rope barriers are being modified to reduce their impact in crashes to road users such as motorcyclists.

    In 2005, Britain’s Highways Agency announced an initiative to install concrete median barriers on all of England’s motorways which carry more than 25,000 vehicles a day. Traffic volumes on many of New Zealand’s major highways exceed this threshold.

    A review conducted by the British agency concluded that rigid concrete safety barriers provided the greatest benefit in terms of safety and reduced long-term cost. In addition to their vehicle containment and impact resistance capabilities, concrete safety barriers had reduced maintenance requirements, and did not require repairs following accidents, therefore minimising consequent disruption to traffic. At least a 50-year lifespan was also expected for concrete barriers.

    Concrete road safety barriers prevent dangerous motorway cross-over accidents by redirecting the errant vehicle along the direction of the flow of traffic in which it was travelling, rather than into oncoming vehicles, regardless of the type of vehicle.

    As such, these barriers easily meet the performance criteria required for New Zealand’s roading infrastructure, and the evidence from overseas indicates they are a suitable and affordable alternative to the wire-rope median barriers currently being installed throughout New Zealand.

    While the industry I represent may benefit from the wide-scale introduction of road safety barriers made from concrete, this issue is not about extra business or profit for our members, but the best solution for New Zealand’s roading network.

    When deciding what type of road safety barrier to use, New Zealand should consider all the benefits of concrete barriers, including the long-term safety performance and reduced life cycle costs.

    Surely New Zealanders’ lives are worth it.

    Patrick McGuire is chief executive of the Cement & Concrete Association of New Zealand.


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    Cheap and nasty: Wire-rope barriers are cheaper to install than concrete, but are not as safe. In Norway, the barriers have been banned and are being replaced.

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    Ideas for a test.

    Take 3 Government transport spokespeople and be ready to throw them off a building such that any unobstructed landing would not be fatal. Across their path place a wire rope barrier, a concrete barrier and a soft earth bank such that you have 1 obstacle per contestant. Place bets on who you think would be the most farked. Then throw them off. If the barriers are that safe then they haven't anything to worry about.

    I'm guessing none of the hypocrites would be prepared to back up their ridiculous statement with any kind of demonstration or testing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSTRS View Post
    No link - but hope you can read the scan I took

    Many thanks MSTRS,
    at last we can all see what was published, the fact that there is no archive links makes me wonder was any presure put on the Dom post after they published, Maybe some one who works for the Dom Post could confirm or deny this.

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