New licence system

[firefighter]

Hello all, have been reading another thread to do about the new system of licencing - can drive at 100km on your learners/wait 12 months instead of 6 if your over 25 to get your full from restricted etc (which buggers me!)

Aaaaanyways was wondering when this actually comes into effect.....was said in the other thread that it has happened, and is now the new law, BUT on the LTSA website it doesn't say anything like that, just the same old system, and on the link it talks about 2010 for implementation, not now, can anyone verify this for me? (please someone who knows, not just people taking stabs in the dark....)

Would make my day if it is in 2010 so I can get my full in september!

[Ixion]

You may just make it.

The 2010 is a complete red herring. The government have had for a number of years a long term plan called Road Safety Straegy 2010. This sets out a number of targets around the road toll which are required to be met by 2010.

The changes in driver licensing are part of the strategy to achieve that 2010 result.

But the changes themselves will be introduced well before 2010. Later this year, in fact.

How much later depends somewhat upon what sort of reception the new provisions attract. The planned changes (they are not yet law) will be released for public consultation in the next few months. If there is no argument or push back from the community (probably the case) the politicians will probably pass them before the election. Maybe August, September. If there is great dissension and howls of outrage, then there must be more talking, things will take longer, and the timetable will be swallowed up by the election. Implementation may be delayed until 2009.

[firefighter]

awesome response man thanks! (i bloody hope its after september!)

[Subike]

thanks for that info Ixion
was wondering the same point myself
+1

[Bert]

You may just make it.

The 2010 is a complete red herring. The government have had for a number of years a long term plan called Road Safety Straegy 2010. This sets out a number of targets around the road toll which are required to be met by 2010.

The changes in driver licensing are part of the strategy to achieve that 2010 result.

But the changes themselves will be introduced well before 2010. Later this year, in fact.

How much later depends somewhat upon what sort of reception the new provisions attract. The planned changes (they are not yet law) will be released for public consultation in the next few months. If there is no argument or push back from the community (probably the case) the politicians will probably pass them before the election. Maybe August, September. If there is great dissension and howls of outrage, then there must be more talking, things will take longer, and the timetable will be swallowed up by the election. Implementation may be delayed until 2009.

This is going to be interesting discussion over the next few months.
the key change to the law is that of power to weight 150Kw per Ton.

Looking at the numbers from small 250 / 2&4's nearly all fall outside this ratio
this includes:
CBR 250s
NSR 250
ZXR 250a & c
KR 250s
FZR 250
TZR & RZ 250s
RVG 250 etc

Maybe the motorcycle community needs to put forward some pressure otherwise these bikes will be no longer available to new or returning riders

my two cents
(or ten now i spose)
Bert

[oscarnz]

I worked for LTNZ driver licensing, and this is going to take a while to implement, nothing is going to happen over night.
It has lots of processes to go thru which will take time, including how it is going to be policed etc.
We have not even been officially informed about the changes hence it not happening soon.

There is no need to stress about it, personally I feel that they should be taking it to the public and listening to what we have to say.

[Gubb]

This is going to be interesting discussion over the next few months.
the key change to the law is that of power to weight 150Kw per Ton.

Looking at the numbers from small 250 / 2&4's nearly all fall outside this ratio
this includes:
CBR 250s
NSR 250
ZXR 250a & c
KR 250s
FZR 250
TZR & RZ 250s
RVG 250 etc

*sigh* Did you remember to add the 90Kg allowance for Rider and Fuel?

[dummer]

*sigh* Did you remember to add the 90Kg allowance for Rider and Fuel?

Still...all the 2stroke are ruled out

[scumdog]

Why do people stress out so much on the size of the bike they're allowed to ride when it's for such a short time?????:spudwhat:

[firefighter]

Because i'm a big boy. Yes I could just go to the gym! But after having a test ride on my brothers yamaha R6 (gingerly of course!) I'm fairly confident that my little 250 is just too small for my big frame on top of it, I don't give two shits what ANYONE says on this it's a fact, it's too small under me ( i'm not that big either), and I like to ride a lot, after being on my bro's 600 I felt a lot safer and like I was on a good sized bike, so that's why I care about being a on a small bike, and yes iv'e tried other 250's too and ya same thing. Just too small, don't get me wrong the best thing to start on but i'm ready for something a bit more practical for me.........I'm sure i'm not the only one.......I would agree on the short period of time bit if I didn't ride as much as I do.

[NOMIS]

well im not big at all and id like to have a r-6 lol.
who woulnt. After going on mate bro inlaws R1 i feel that (besides the excessive power) I could handel its size no problems.

[fizbin]

*sigh* Did you remember to add the 90Kg allowance for Rider and Fuel?

some of us left testicals that are 90kg.... sadly not me sigh

[Ixion]

Because i'm a big boy. Yes I could just go to the gym! But after having a test ride on my brothers yamaha R6 (gingerly of course!) I'm fairly confident that my little 250 is just too small for my big frame on top of it, I don't give two shits what ANYONE says on this it's a fact, it's too small under me ( i'm not that big either), and I like to ride a lot, after being on my bro's 600 I felt a lot safer and like I was on a good sized bike, so that's why I care about being a on a small bike, and yes iv'e tried other 250's too and ya same thing. Just too small, don't get me wrong the best thing to start on but i'm ready for something a bit more practical for me.........I'm sure i'm not the only one.......I would agree on the short period of time bit if I didn't ride as much as I do.

Interesting how many "big people" find that extra 350cc seems somehow to spread out from the engine to the frame.

Some comparative specs :

<TABLE>

  .                                 Hyosung GT250          Yamaha R6

Length                                 2080                       2039
Width                                  750                         701
Height                                 1170                       1099
Wheelbase                              1455                       1379
Weight                                 155                         166
Seat height                            795                         850

</TABLE>

So, the R6 has a two inch higher seat than the 250, and weighs 10 kg more. All other dimensions, the 250 is *bigger* than the R6.

Guess that seat height must be the thing that matters.

So, it's all good, the new laws mean all the big folk will be able to ride bikes that really suit them Like the DR650

Length 2255
Width 865
Height 1195
Wheelbase 1490
Weight 147
Seat height 885

Now, that's a big bike, exactly what the big people want. Bit light of course, but a bit of lead can easily be added. Obviously a much better choice than an R6.

[Rosie]

Guess that seat height must be the thing that matters.

In that case, a DR250 would be even better than the 650, because the 250's seat is 25mm higher than the 650.

[Ixion]

Well, there we go!. All those big people won't even need 650s. There's already a 250 that is exactly what they say they want. A big bike for big people. (Does it come with a stepladder as standard ? )