Letter from ACC

[chanceyy]

That one nearly caught me out 2 years ago... it hasn't changed still????

no & I know 86GSXR was talking to the farmer a wee bit later on after I had my off & he said that there are a number of crashes there .. but still no warning has been put on it

[Edbear]

...Perhaps it is a survey on the "actual causes" of why motorbikes feature so regularly? Still being hopeful, agreeing with the voices in my head for a change....

I do think the information would be good, and could be very useful, I just wonder whether they will use it for education, or an excuse to target the biker cost-wise. I mean, why are bike rego's so high when it's the cars causing the problem?

It exposes the true risk involved in being a motorcyclist.
Motorcyclist should take that risk on themselves and be responsible about it, otherwise down the track we will lose our toys, as per other threads on KB happening overseas.

As my reply to Patrick, while we as bikers can take responsibility, often the accident is "out of our hands" so to speak, so the logical thing as far as I'm concerned would be to increase the car reg. instead of the bike reg. and make the car drivers aware that their knocking bikers off, is costing THEM money!

[Coldrider]

As my reply to Patrick, while we as bikers can take responsibility, often the accident is "out of our hands" so to speak, so the logical thing as far as I'm concerned would be to increase the car reg. instead of the bike reg. and make the car drivers aware that their knocking bikers off, is costing THEM money!

I would like to agree with that but the cost of money and the path of least resistance means the minority is going to lose.

[Patrick]

"Say nothing, get nothing" perhaps?

[Coldrider]

"Say nothing, get nothing" perhaps?

Cost Benefit ratios, safety does not rate as high as people presume, that is where emotion cuts in.
LTSA, ACC and those that police the roads have different cashflow streams.
It would take huge synergies and change of focus to have an impact, and how can Govt Ministries do that.
'Name censored" from ACC Levin may just be doing a project for his/her KIPS or goals for a payrise.

[Patrick]

Cost Benefit ratios, safety does not rate as high as people presume, that is where emotion cuts in.
LTSA, ACC and those that police the roads have different cashflow streams.
It would take huge synergies and change of focus to have an impact, and how can Govt Ministries do that.
'Name censored" from ACC Levin may just be doing a project for his/her KIPS or goals for a payrise.

True...

But times change... The ambulance at the bottom of the cliff is not working. Maybe, just maybe... they are trying out ways of finding out what is causing motorbikes to fall over, other than crap riders. Wouldn't that be nice?

[Coyote]

Shit, wake up call for me. This just got me thinking "gee, what near misses have I had lately" and I can't think of anything. I certainly know there have been several near misses, but I've become dismissive of them since they're such a normal thing now.

I am aware, there'd certainly be more near misses otherwise. Always got to make sure that 4x4 you see crawling over the double yellow lines at a stop sign is actually going to stop.

[SPman]

Near Miss?

Surely it should be a "near Hit"

A near miss, would be a hit, as in "I nearly missed him"

[Usarka]

Tell them you had a near miss on you farm bike, but are glad that the road registered riders pay for the increased premiums as a result

[hgmiers]

I suspect that this letter is to gain ammo. for them to make the wearing of fluoro vests compulsory! If a car cuts you off, etc. they can say that if you had a vest on, it would not have happened. That's crap, actually, because as many of us know, cars pull out blatantly even when they do see us - they know who will come off second best!

[davereid]

I suspect that this letter is to gain ammo. for them to make the wearing of fluoro vests compulsory! If a car cuts you off, etc. they can say that if you had a vest on, it would not have happened. That's crap, actually, because as many of us know, cars pull out blatantly even when they do see us - they know who will come off second best!

I have some sympathy for this view... clearly if a lot of bikers calim the accident or near miss occured because the motorist didnt spot you then you provide the ammunition required to justify the proposed flouro jacket rule.

Without hesitation I would wear a flouro jacket if I was convinced it worked.

But...

While I get a lot of recognition when I wear a shiny coat, I am sure it is because motorists have seen me, and think, even if just for a moment that I am a cop, or some kind of official. Because we link the shiny coat with authority.

I compare 3 recent bikes..

HD Sportster
Jappa midweight
and my usual transport, a moped scooter.

I sincerely believe that I am equally visiable on all bikes.

But on my HD I get a wider berth than on my jappa.

But on my scooter, I get no space at all. But its a big scooter. And I still wear all my biker gear.

Only last week, I was turning right, and a woman passed me on the left, then turned down the same street, in front of me cutting me off. I was missed by inches. But I was doing at least the speed limit. When I confronted her, she admitted she had seen me, but I was just in the way, and I assume she assumed that as a scooter rider I was non - threatening, so could be illegally overtaken.

She no longer has that view about scooter riders - I am sure she will me more cautious in future.

For me.. its not an issue of being seen. I thinj thats actually an excuse. I think that after sitting at a corner for ages, a motorcycle is seen as being as good as a gap in the traffic...even if its a bad call, it won't hurt.

(Actually, if its me, even if it's a borderline call it will hurt !)

[rottiguy]

Hi all, just thought I'd say today I got a letter from ACC saying because I own a motorcycle could I please fill out an enclosed near miss report of dick head car drivers who caused me shit in the last 2 months. It seems they are doing a bit of a survey to educate car drivers on how to look out for bikes and not to drive like F wits ( as if that will work ).
Just wondering if anyone else has had a letter yet, I think they must have got my details from LTNZ
Boy do I have some stories for them

[Ixion]

One is suspicious. We may be sure that whatever ACC may be plotting, it won't be to our advantage.

What is needed here , is for everyone who fills in the form to *say* that any near misses happened when they were wearing a hi-vis jacket, even if y' never really wear one.

[Usarka]

One is suspicious. We may be sure that whatever ACC may be plotting, it won't be to our advantage.

What is needed here , is for everyone who fills in the form to *say* that any near misses happened when they were wearing a hi-vis jacket, even if y' never really wear one.

+1 Good call Ixion. make it a driver competency issue where it belongs.

[Mom]

I suspect that this letter is to gain ammo. for them to make the wearing of fluoro vests compulsory! If a car cuts you off, etc. they can say that if you had a vest on, it would not have happened. That's crap, actually, because as many of us know, cars pull out blatantly even when they do see us - they know who will come off second best!

I dont think for a second that hi-vis makes us more "seeable". There are so many people out there with the "hi-vis" vest or what have you, we will just blend in as we do now. Bit like the headlight debate really.

One is suspicious. We may be sure that whatever ACC may be plotting, it won't be to our advantage.

I agree! Your spidey sense works really well. I smell roses with too much horse shit around them.