Quarter of Police unhappy in job

[Grahameeboy]

Are you serious?

I mean, with all due respect, isn't it like working on a concept to eradicate human nature? People make mistakes, take the wrong path, and cops are no different...

I'm not saying we should let them run riot just because they are part of the force, but the fact is, nothing is foolproof, and so no one should be surprised if from time to time there are a few problematic cases thrown in the mix.

However, those should be dealt with harshly as they were entrusted with the security of the community in the first place and should know better.

I think being European we are more openminded and understanding of life's imperfections and I agree with you...I mean in NZ someone rapes someone and the lynch mob comes up...

[007XX]

I think being European we are more openminded and understanding of life's imperfections and I agree with you...I mean in NZ someone rapes someone and the lynch mob comes up...

Hmmm...I don't know. It was very much the same in Paris and in New Caledonia...I think that any form of discipline will eventually be resented, and therefor its representants will be seen as needing to be perfect, or else the whole outfit is seen as confirmed in its "evilness"...

It is in my mind just an excuse to feel justified is having a right to break the rules. If the law is proven as faulty, then it becomes acceptable to overrule it. The "if even the cops don't respect the rules, then why should I?" mentality...

But this could be seen as an overly gross generalisation on my part and I am sure different people have different reasons for disliking the police. I am just not convinced that people are truly honnest with themselves when it comes to admitting why they lay the blame so heavily in the first place.

[awayatc]

I am still waiting for somebody to come up with an answer to stop these on-going problems. (Cops with alleged bad history, incompetents, unhappy workers etc etc).

Not to difficult realy....Regardless of all the bitching we like to do..We need a strong competent police force....
Seperate traffic cops from regular police again would be a start..(the way it used to be...people have generally bad experiences with overzealous traffic cops...not with regular police)
Have politicians grow enough balls to stand behind "the force"....
Hooligans throwing bottles at police cars?? shouldn't be accepted .....Should be dealt with...Swift and harsh

Police cant be strong arm of the law, if the PC brigade make soft cock rules.....

People should be made proud to wear that uniform, not constantly undermined.

Anybody like to try life in NZ for a week or so without police?.

[Edbear]

Are you serious?...

Moi? Serious..?

[Skyryder]

Yup, saw it, a bit o.t.t. going by what the girls said, if it's as straight forwards as they say it was.

Sadly they're paying for all the dweebs and skanks that never know whose booze it is, never knew there was a liquor ban in place, never drunk booze in the ban area, don't know how the booze got there anyway, were only checking to see why the cops were talking to their mate yadda yadda yadda...

Would like to hear 'the other sides' story though.

Agreed.

However the other side is in the Court's record. Mind you, gota wonder if looks played apart in this.

Lawyer looked a sharp one.


Skyrder

[007XX]

Moi? Serious..?

Why you ....!

[Mikkel]

I would expect police work to be some one of the toughest, but also most rewarding, jobs out there.

I suspect that the rewarding bit relies heavily upon whether you have the general publics respect and support though! Too bad that respect and support is being undermined by executive decisions in an organisation that is being run more or less as a private company. A shame really.

I'm glad that someone is willing to do that job though!

[Edbear]

Why you ....!

Careful, you'll give me ideas...

[Grahameeboy]

Hmmm...I don't know. It was very much the same in Paris and in New Caledonia...I think that any form of discipline will eventually be resented, and therefor its representants will be seen as needing to be perfect, or else the whole outfit is seen as confirmed in its "evilness"...

It is in my mind just an excuse to feel justified is having a right to break the rules. If the law is proven as faulty, then it becomes acceptable to overrule it. The "if even the cops don't respect the rules, then why should I?" mentality...

But this could be seen as an overly gross generalisation on my part and I am sure different people have different reasons for disliking the police. I am just not convinced that people are truly honnest with themselves when it comes to admitting why they lay the blame so heavily in the first place.

The French...they still have not got over that girly they burned...

Big difference between being imperfect and being evil though.

Yep none of us are perfect...I think the problem with the Police is that it is still a male dominated macho place...easy for the less perfect to think they can get away with things....like Lawyers, Doctors, Accountants, who are not immune from scandal.

To me the important thing is to deal with the individual offender, rather than tarnishing the rest of the Police Force because the majority ie 99% are alright geezers.

[Grahameeboy]

I would expect police work to be some one of the toughest, but also most rewarding, jobs out there.

I suspect that the rewarding bit relies heavily upon whether you have the general publics respect and support though! Too bad that respect and support is being undermined by executive decisions in an organisation that is being run more or less as a private company. A shame really.

I'm glad that someone is willing to do that job though!

Yep we should not dob the workers for the ways of their bosses...just like Telecom, Air NZ and other large organisations...if we do then we should not complain when they turn round and say "fuck you"

[mstriumph]

but doesn't that statistic indicate that THREEQUARTERS of them are other than unhappy??

that sounds like a pretty good ratio to me ----- i'd say that, in many of the places i've worked, it would be reversed?

[SPman]

...... revealed that only 13 per cent of police staff were loyal and committed to the job.The average over New Zealand's working population is 25 per cent.

I would put those as worrying statistics.
If police are generally even more disgruntled in their work than the average, disgruntled populace, it would tend to lead to relations between the two being even more unpleasant than neccesary.
Which leads to - how do we get more gruntled policemen?
The article did mention Comms were more gruntled, having had $45m spent on them, so ...the answer must be spend more money on whats required to get the job done...in Scummy's case, I'm sure a 69 Boss 351 Mustang patrol car would do the trick - or maybe a Boss 429.......

[007XX]

Careful, you'll give me ideas...

I doubt you have been waiting for me, m'dear!

The French...they still have not got over that girly they burned...

Oh...you mean Joanne?
That I recall, you naughty pomies halted her in her tracks...

To me the important thing is to deal with the individual offender, rather than tarnishing the rest of the Police Force because the majority ie 99% are alright geezers.

yes, I agree.

[Skyryder]

Don't shoot the messenger, the Herald did the reporting!

My mirth was directed at 'overworking'...its a personal thing

As for criticism of the police force...........we have had one commissioner come dangerously close to jail-time for rape, and another who appears to be generating more than a little heat over the Olivia Hope case. In between the 'Cartright report' damns Police culture per Se. Couple this to bitter personal experiences brought upon by these so called 'self styled' good guys and you have otherwise exemplary members of society 'turned'

I love the concept of saviours, it just seems the force these days has run into some serious road blocks.

You missed out Broad and the drink driving allegation.

Skyryder

[Ixion]

An interesting quote from a serving LEO

In order to mollify those who believed that professional police were "a curse and a despotism", and secure their aid in creating his professional police force, Sir Robert Peel developed what became known as The Peelian Principles; which are considered to be the basic foundation for all modern policing:

1) The basic mission for which the police exist is to prevent crime and disorder.

2) The ability of the police to perform their duties is dependent upon the public approval of police actions.

3) Police must secure the willing co-operation of the public in voluntary observation of the law to be able to secure and maintain the respect of the public.

4) The degree of co-operation of the public that can be secured diminishes proportionately to the necessity of the use of physical force.

5) Police seek and preserve public favor not by catering to public opinion, but by constantly demonstrating absolute impartial service to the law.

6) Police use physical force to the extent necessary to secure observance of the law or to restore order only when the exercise of persuasion, advice, and warning is found to be insufficient.

7) Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent upon every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.

8) Police should always direct their action strictly towards their functions, and never appear to usurp the powers of the judiciary.

9) The test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with it.



My academy devoted two days to the study of Sir Robert and his Principles of Policing. I am of the firm opinion that these Principles should be Gospel for every Peace Officer.