F**k, Damn, Triple f**k, shit!

[skidMark]

Crockashit.

resistance, less obviously alot less, but resistance on starter none the less

[FJRider]

Clutch maybe didnt disengage after starting ...???...locked in drive mode...would explain why when clutch is engaged, is NOT having any effect...???

[kiwi cowboy]

cant be with the clutch issues. but then again with the starter running free? hmmmm....

im actually stumped on this one....

guess we will find out when it in a million bits.

if you dont know what ya doing with engines mate i could always head down at some point and help ya pull her down.

do you know whot your doin though? you didnt even know how many cylinders an xt has

[FJRider]

resistance, less obviously alot less, but resistance on starter none the less

Crockashit...

the same resistance as after pulling the plug(s) out.... NONE...

[kiwi cowboy]

Clutch maybe didnt disengage after starting ...???...locked in drive mode...would explain why when clutch is engaged, is NOT having any effect...???

Think you getting confused between the starter clutch and the gearbox clutch here maybe

[FJRider]

do you know whot your doin though? you didnt even know how many cylinders an xt has

Give him credit... he was only THREE cylinders out...

[FJRider]

Think you getting confused between the starter clutch and the gearbox clutch here maybe

At this hour... I'm easily confused. I've been Exporting myself...

[kiwi cowboy]

Give him credit... he was only THREE cylinders out...

credit notedyou drink exportwell you do ride a yamy i suppose

[FJRider]

Ixion:
Push it in gear it does seem to turn over, not too hard to push it in first, though. Pull in the clutch: no change - keeps turning over the engine.



Skidmark:
It only has one cylinder.

sounds like clutch plates missing... million bits...well a few anyway...

[FJRider]

credit notedyou drink exportwell you do ride a yamy i suppose

Supplied by a client for services above and beyond the call of the timesheet... The least I could do was drink it...

[SlideMoto]

cant be too major id say stripped the teeth off the flywheel or similar and now the starter motor cant grab, an initial lock....

but if the motor was fucked the starter wouldnt even turn oer, and for the starter motor to turn over freely (i assume u mean little affort) its not practical to say it lost compression at all four, i would suspect something at start motor end.

still even if you had blown a hole in a piston you will still have resistance....

hmmm, something has gone bang in ya clutch mate. perhaps a broke clutch basket, doesnt explain the free winding starter though.

i would have to see it first hand, hopefully a kber in hamilton wont mind doing this for ya i would come down if i could but i cant as i am unlicensed sorry.

cant be with the clutch issues. but then again with the starter running free? hmmmm....

im actually stumped on this one....

guess we will find out when it in a million bits.

if you dont know what ya doing with engines mate i could always head down at some point and help ya pull her down.

Ummmm I'd be VERY wary of taking this advise as at least wolf had the nouse to say he doens no whats wrong with it. Sounds like you have even less ofan idea of engines.....lol

[kiwi cowboy]

Supplied by a client for services above and beyond the call of the timesheet... The least I could do was drink it...

:client: ::above and beyond the call::

[Ixion]

Are you sure that when you push it in gear the motor is actually turning - I mean the crankshaft not just the transmission.

If the starter drives through the primary drive (as many do) , I'd be thinking clutch or primary drive failure. Used to be endemic with chain primary drives. The engine is not actually turning at all, all you feel is some clutch resistance.

Could be as major as a snapped transmission shaft, or as minor as a broken woodruffe key. Did it happen as you let out the clutch to take off?

First thing I think is to pull off the primary drive cover. That's pretty simple, basically just undo the screws holding it on (maybe a few other bits to clear away). Novice level , can't really go wrong - you'll need to drain the oil first, when you do, run your fingers over the bottom of the container you drain it into, that may provide some clues. Then you should see exactly what is happening (or not happening)

[Wolf]

Well, haven't taken the plug out (don't actually have a plug spanner) but I can push it in first gear with no effort at all. By rights, in first the compression should lock the wheel and make it impossible to push - I know this from accidentally knocking it into gear in the past and then trying to push it. Under normal circumstances, even after building up some momentum and speed, dropping it into first will lock the wheel and cause it to skid (hence you bump start in second).

Now, at walking pace I can push the bike in first gear with minimal resistance (like I'm pushing it up a slight incline)

It will go into and out of gear easily enough. The clutch is an issue - still will not totally disengage when the lever is pulled all the way in.

It sounds like I have a number of issues.

I'm the first to admit that I know fuck all about the inside of engines. I'll happily attempt repairs to the rest of the bike (and usually have to call "Shiny side up" or Roj to bail me out of tricky bits as they have more tools than I have) but I baulk at working on engines themselves.

I wouldn't even know what to look for if I got the side off.

[Wolf]

Are you sure that when you push it in gear the motor is actually turning - I mean the crankshaft not just the transmission.

No. For all I know, the transmission is doing its own thing without the crank

If the starter drives through the primary drive (as many do) , I'd be thinking clutch or primary drive failure. Used to be endemic with chain primary drives. The engine is not actually turning at all, all you feel is some clutch resistance.

That may well be why I cannot feel any compression from the cylinder. Snapped con rod was a thought I had at the time.

Could be as major as a snapped transmission shaft, or as minor as a broken woodruffe key. Did it happen as you let out the clutch to take off?

Yes. The clutch was almost fully out (I was already starting to roll forward) and there was a loud noise of something going south then the engine died.