This guy has a point - I think

**FROSTY:Me** · 25th November 2008, 19:07

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Community/M...opic=1&L=1&C=1

To the motorcyclist i almost killed...
and for that matter, to any other motorcyclist that commutes to town in the morning. Spare a thought to the situation, if i am plodding along with my fellow road users at 20-30kph due to traffic, and i need to change lanes to ensure i can use the correct off-ramp, to have you suddenly appear at my drivers door at 90kph is somewhat alarming. Now i have been driving for many years and pride myself on being able to do so safely, i an aware of my surroundings and usually know of all the vehicles around me, but physyics would suggest that the speed you do versus the speed the rest of us are doing has you appearing at pace into a space that was until a split second ago, free. so listen up dickhead, if i end up wiping you out with my drivers door and forcing you into other cars , effectively maiming or perhaps even killing you, ITS GONNA RUIN MY DAY YOU COCK SO STOP DOING IT!!! oh yeah and it will probably ruin your day aswell. thanks for your attention.

From a cagers prospective I gettit
Might be worth thinking about when commuting.
This is the mindset you are dealing with
Theres more of them than there are of us

**jrandom** · 25th November 2008, 19:11

Sounds like the rider in question just hadn't learned to play the game properly yet. Good filtering should happen without scaring the hell out of any car drivers.

Took me a few years to learn how to do that, mind you.

**Ixion** · 25th November 2008, 19:33

Hm. Traffic at 20-30kph. And a rider SUDDENLY appears at his door doing 90kph? I doubt it.

But, y'know, if said car was signalling for 3 seconds before turning, the rider would either hold back (seeing the signal), or be well past long before the 3 seconds was up.

**riffer** · 25th November 2008, 19:47

Nah, if he's anything like most cagers in Welly he pulls out without looking to try and get ahead. Besides he's got lots of negative feedback.

**Lilly2w** · 25th November 2008, 19:52

eww, People who ride cars communicate on the intramanet? so... strange.

**jtzzr** · 25th November 2008, 19:52

[QUOTE=jrandom;1824798]Sounds like the rider in question just hadn't learned to play the game properly yet. Good filtering should happen without scaring the hell out of any car drivers.

Good point , but did anyone notice how BITCHY those Trademe threads get?

**MadDuck** · 25th November 2008, 19:58

Originally Posted by jtzzr

but did anyone notice how BITCHY those Trademe threads get?

Not like the loving, sharing and caring threads on KB ah?

**_intense_** · 25th November 2008, 20:01

So 20ks is good then?

From a legal point of view: the letter of the law states that you may ONLY pass a vehical on the left, IF, it is stationary. So hell, why not sneak along if the traffics at a stand still?

Oh.. relevant assuming that peopl are adhearing to the law

**98tls** · 25th November 2008, 20:01

Read it and the only thing i can think to say is how sorry i feel for people that chose/have to ride a motorcycle in such an environment,how can it be enjoyable surrounded by cars and in order to get somewhere quicker squeezing in between em is the go.Still, if thats what it takes.

**pritch** · 25th November 2008, 20:06

As I read it, the rider interrupted his slumber.

A former Senior Chief Traffic Officer of my aquaintance was fond of saying,
"Plan your journey."

Everyday I see people on our one-way system trying to turn right from the left lane (or vice versa) at the very last minute. Having driven right across town in the lane they happened to turn into, in a matter of a few feet they do a panic lane change.

Each day as I commute I watch drivers of the cars around me and very few give any indication that they are thinking about their driving.
If you don't count talking on the cell phone, talking to passengers, looking into shop windows, picking their nose, etc, as actually driving...

**Insanity_rules** · 25th November 2008, 20:54

I think the guy sounds like a pissed off stress monkey who will probably do intentional damage to a biker it a fit of anger and regret it later. That crack about the biker being at his drivers door and him needing to change lanes on the right to exit an off ramp leads me to believe that he's more having a tanty about being passed in the traffic rather than being a concerned citizen.

If he can be as transparently full of shit as that then I hardly believe the 90K's speed check he's reporting. I regularly ride and drive to work on the Hutt motorway and it would be SUPER rare for me to be filtered past at that much more speed and I personally only filter 20ish ks faster than the traffic is moving.

What an ass clown, the only point he has is the one on the top of his head!

**pzkpfw** · 25th November 2008, 22:12

I drive the car to work (with wife) every morning, on SH1 to Wellington. Have been doing it for YEARS.

Of the bikes that split past me:
1. Some indicate the wrong way (left instead of right).
2. Some go WAY faster than I do, on the occasion I do take the bike to work. (And I tend not to split on "george").
3. There's this smallish BMW (?) Motard or dual-purpose kind of thing, I think ridden by a woman, that always uses the left shoulder to ride past on. (Others do too, but this bike [that seems to avoid splitting, as such] has been doing it for years).
4. Most riders end up passing cars in the right lane, on the left of those cars (as well as on the right of the cars in the left lane.)
5. ...and some even do it all "properly".

...and for all that in all those years I've personally seen just one crashed bike and many crashed cars.

Not one of the bikes has touched my car or even slightly pissed me off. (Except that jealousy thing...)

I don't get all the fuss, really.