Police news release - "Matching rider skills to their bikes"

[dipshit]

Of course. Damn bad lobby group we'd be if we didn't wouldn't we?

Are you seriously suggesting that a motorcycle lobby group should court bad publicity and try to gain public antipathy?

Maybe PR is not where your natural talents lie ?

At least I fully realise what BRONZ is about.

The trouble is other riders also swallow your PR bullshit campaign. They carry on business as usual thinking their shit doesn't stink and everything is either the cages fault or the state of the f%*ing roads.

Stats like 75% of motorcycle fatalities are the fault of the rider usually come as a surprise to them.

[Jantar]

...Why only pick out multiple vehicle accidents? Saying most multi-vehicle vehicle accidents are caused by car drivers is one thing. It is quite something else altogether to say "Most motorcycle accidents is not the fault of the rider" That is misleading if you fail to mention if you are only talking about multiple vehicle accidents.....

True, but in the MAIDS study I linked to it says

Major Findings:
1. In 37% of cases, the primary accident contributing factor was a human error on the part of the PTW rider. In some situations, the human errors that occurred involved skills that were beyond those that typical drivers or operators might currently have. This is often due to the extreme circumstances of some of the accident cases, including an insufficient amount of time available to complete collision avoidance. (Sources: Tables 4.1, 5.23). In 13% of all cases, there was a decision failure on the part of the PTW rider. (Sources: Figure 4.1, Table C.5)

And that is over ALL accidents, not just MV ones.

Edit: PTW is "Powered Two Wheeled"

[cheshirecat]

It's not always the car's fault. Motorcyclists do hurt people other than themselves. There is no justification for consistently and continually flouting NZ's traffic regs.

The opportunities to enjoy your motorcycle and learn your own limits in a controlled situation are vastly more numerous than ever before. Hill Climbs, Sprints, Track Days, Rider education days at the track, riding courses run by people like RRRS, all huge fun in different ways.

I can't quite get why motorcyclists think the rules just don't apply. Like the utterly stupid little monkey on a CBR250rr on the way home tonight, who did license losing speeds past a speed camera that went off. O, how I laughed.

Ok I was generalising (bother, done it again, dig my way out etc, etc) and I agree 100% with your bit quoted above. We are all tarred with that geezer, no vehicle and 'gun' license, hooning it up with drink and drugs and, as per the 250 and there's also no excuse for pulling that wheelie down Kent terrace or that other geezer on the black thing doing same across Newton lights a couple of times. One thing I do know is that one of these days their number is going to come up and I just hope they don't take anyone down with them.

[Ixion]

I have written to Inspector Dunbier and the ACC , seeking verification of their 50% claim. We shall see what the good Inspector has to say.

[Motu]

I also wonder what the make up of bikes involved in these incidents is - I would expect most to be centered around either extreme of bike design....sports bikes and cruisers.I think bikes more in the middle....nakids,retros,modern classics or however we want to classify them,would be less in evidence.And hopefully bikes more suited to these roads,like adventure bikes would be pretty low in the statistics.Apart from the fact that owners of such bikes are superior riders to sports bike and cruiser riders....the bikes are far more flexible in their abilities.Sports bikes are made for perfect roads with corners,cruisers are made for perfect roads without corners.If the roads are not perfect,both are capable of giving their owners grief.