Did you use L-plates?

**Ixion** · 17th January 2009, 22:02

Originally Posted by BaDDoGNZ

... Now I have had a full license for over 2 years ..
Essentially, the change-over was as simple as learning to ride a bike, read the road surface and deal with how people see bikes differently on the road. Admittedly it's quite a big difference, but not one that those three laws really affect in any real way.

Yes. That's all. Nothing to it really. But, seeing as you are smart enough to see through the crap about licence rules, how come you're still farting about on a kiddies 250cc? They're for wimps and babies, man. I mean, you've got TWO YEARS experience in a car , that's MORE than enough for a litre bike, especially seeing as you've successfully sussed out the insignifcant difference between bikes and cars.

Time to upgrade I reckon. After all the 250cc limit is just another bit of bullshit no different to the crap about curfews and such like.

**EatOrBeEaten** · 17th January 2009, 22:12

Originally Posted by Ixion

Yes. That's all. Nothing to it really. But, seeing as you are smart enough to see through the crap about licence rules, how come you're still farting about on a kiddies 250cc? They're for wimps and babies, man. I mean, you've got TWO YEARS experience in a car , that's MORE than enough for a litre bike, especially seeing as you've successfully sussed out the insignifcant difference between bikes and cars.

Time to upgrade I reckon. After all the 250cc limit is just another bit of bullshit no different to the crap about curfews and such like.

It's this kind of positive, helpful attitude that ensures us learners don't feel patronised by you experienced types and listen when you have something to say.

**Ixion** · 17th January 2009, 22:14

Originally Posted by EatOrBeEaten

It's this kind of positive, helpful attitude that ensures us learners don't feel patronised by you experienced types and listen when you have something to say.

But is there anything we could say that you do not already know?

**oldrider** · 17th January 2009, 22:38

Originally Posted by greminn

How many of you used l-plates as leaner riders?

Cant actually ever remember having them.

Got my bike and car licences 1954.

I am sure the rule makers of the day were talking about them, it's what they do, talk!

Does anybody know what year they (L plates) came into law?

John.

**EatOrBeEaten** · 17th January 2009, 22:41

Originally Posted by Ixion

But is there anything we could say that you do not already know?

Having spent the afternoon with my mentor, yes. As a sensible adult with a firm grasp of the concept of learning, yes.

You seem to think that all learner riders are arrogant 16 year old nuggets with no understanding of the concept of "experience". I'm not sure if you're trolling or just oblivious to the irony of you displaying the same breathtaking arrogance that you accuse all learner riders of.

**samgab** · 17th January 2009, 22:46

Originally Posted by EatOrBeEaten

Having spent the afternoon with my mentor, yes. As a sensible adult with a firm grasp of the concept of learning, yes.

You seem to think that all learner riders are arrogant 16 year old nuggets with no understanding of the concept of "experience". I'm not sure if you're trolling or just oblivious to the irony of you displaying the same breathtaking arrogance that you accuse all learner riders of.

Relax, he's just winding you up...

**EatOrBeEaten** · 17th January 2009, 22:54

Originally Posted by samgab

Relax, he's just winding you up...

He's trolling, I know.

I am ashamed, but in my defence it's late and he's wound me up before...

**Ixion** · 17th January 2009, 22:55

Originally Posted by oldrider

Cant actually ever remember having them.

Got my bike and car licences 1954.

I am sure the rule makers of the day were talking about them, it's what they do, talk!

Does anybody know what year they (L plates) came into law?

John.

!980s. Sometime round 1986 I think. But before that you had a P licence label the little thing about an inch square that you stick on the number plate. A leaner was supposed to display one with a P on it. cost 5/-. Supposed to.

**Ixion** · 17th January 2009, 23:04

Originally Posted by EatOrBeEaten

Having spent the afternoon with my mentor, yes. As a sensible adult with a firm grasp of the concept of learning, yes.

You seem to think that all learner riders are arrogant 16 year old nuggets with no understanding of the concept of "experience". I'm not sure if you're trolling or just oblivious to the irony of you displaying the same breathtaking arrogance that you accuse all learner riders of.

No. Not all. In half a century or so I have seen thousand of novices come. And go. Very few stay the course. Some die. Some are injured enough that they can never ride again (or, indeed, do much else). Many crash sufficiently to persuade them that motorbikes are ghey and they never wanted to ride one anyway. They move on. Usually fairly quickly. In the meantime , they do neither themselves, not motorcycling, a service.

A few, a very few, are the stayers. the riders that will still be out there in 50 years. My replacements, if you like.

It is in the interests of everyone that those in the first group be discouraged from motorcycling as quickly as possible. The earlier , the better the likelihood they willl not die. They probably will die , though , because they are hard to discourage, because they know everything.

The latter group I encourage.

I find that for most, (but not all) , novices I can quite quickly tell into which group he or she falls.

Some , perhaps like you are more difficult to assign. I will reserve judgement. But you'll probably die., Most learners do ,that don't give it away, after a while.

It's nothing personal. Just like a farmer sorting through the sheep, some to keep some to go to the works. Many are called, but few are chosen

**EatOrBeEaten** · 17th January 2009, 23:12

Thank you master Yoda. I have learned much from this.

**Ixion** · 17th January 2009, 23:15

I very much doubt it. But, still, I will reserve judgement.

**oldrider** · 18th January 2009, 08:56

Originally Posted by Ixion

!980s. Sometime round 1986 I think. But before that you had a P licence label the little thing about an inch square that you stick on the number plate. A leaner was supposed to display one with a P on it. cost 5/-. Supposed to.

My Alzheimer's must be running rampant, I can't even remember the "P" thingy!

There is a lingering memory of some little sticker or something that seemed important around that time.

It might just have been the little registration sticker we had to put on the back number plate.

Glad they got rid of that silly front number plate, what a pain they were!

The most important safety gear for me is "boots" and "gloves".

The modern helmet is a comfort accessary before a safety device but they are so much improved I wouldn't ride far without one.

Bikes are so good today, gear is so good, I feel lucky to have lived long enough to have experienced them.

John.

**cold comfort** · 18th January 2009, 11:20

Yeah, i must be losing it also John. I got my licence in the late 60's and can also only recall an "L" plate in the window.The Assuies have P plates but i'm buggered if i can recall them here

**RatedR** · 18th January 2009, 11:31

Originally Posted by Soul.Trader

That *woooosh* you hear is the sound of Ixion's post going over your head.

Hhahaahaha

**xMythOne** · 23rd January 2009, 17:45

Wow from reading all of Ixions posts, i have come to the conclusion that he is the best motorcyclist around.
only the best come here to flame learners!

But honestly, do you really have a life apart from treating learners like crap?
i feel as though a learner cant even come on to this forum anymore without a smart arsed comment from Ixion to try bring them down.

Im sure his excuse would be something like "well learners are being to cocky etc etc" but its kinda gotten to the point where learners cant even say what they have learned without Ixion trying to crap on them.

I dont care if he's only winding people up. Go do that crap on a car forum