Who is in the right here?

[klingon]

I think the van has to give way, due to the fact that the van has to give way to the other vehcles travelling in a straight line ,hence the turning vehicle(Sunhuntin) has right of way on that thoroughfare.
I`m sure the right-hand give way rule does not apply.

jtzzr, why would the right-hand rule not apply here? This is exactly the situation where the right hand rule does apply. Did you look at the link to the road code that I supplied earlier?

Yep, I remember when the rule changed to its current one (1977). And I remember all the explanations about why it was a better rule than before. It really doesn't matter what the rule is, as long as everybody knows what it is. And if they don't know, then they shouldn't be driving.

[Ixion]

Yep, I remember when the rule changed to its current one (1977). And I remember all the explanations about why it was a better rule than before. It really doesn't matter what the rule is, as long as everybody knows what it is. And if they don't know, then they shouldn't be driving.

Yes, I remember too. And I quite agree. What the details of the rule are do not really matter . (I can actually remember, I think, when there really was a main road rule). So long as everyone knows it and obeys it. The problem is that half the driving population are too bone stupid and bone lazy to grasp or follow ANY rule. Changing the rule would achieve nothing. They are too stupid to observe any rule.


(The other people who want it changed, of course, are the immigrants , who as always insist that everything in the country must immediately be changed so as to be exactly as it was "back home". Why they ever bothered to leave "back home" in the first place completely escapes me)

[klingon]

(The other people who want it changed, of course, are the immigrants , who as always insist that everything in the country must immediately be changed so as to be exactly as it was "back home". Why they ever bothered to leave "back home" in the first place completely escapes me)

oooooh! Them's fightin' words!

[That looks like fun]

I think the van has to give way, due to the fact that the van has to give way to the other vehcles travelling in a straight line ,hence the turning vehicle(Sunhuntin) has right of way on that thoroughfare.
I`m sure the right-hand give way rule does not apply.

And therein lies the problem People who because they dont know nor understand the road rules make there own ones up and we have what we have on the NZ roads. Angry confused, drivers living in there own little bullets (thats what I call cars that will eventually kill someone) driving blissfully along applying there own version of common sense
On the bike as in the truck I apply one rule above all others. Treat everyone else as a potential moron and increase both our chances of living a bit longer

[Trumpess]

It amazes me and seriously fucks me off, the amount of people who can not come to grips with the right hand rule! Especially at an uncontrolled 'T' intersection. Its such an easy rule. If you have oncoming traffic that can hit your drivers door, give fucken way!

Though, this issue in the road code is very confusing and needs to be illistrated better than what it is.

[jtzzr]

Best you get it sorted in your head before it bites you in the arse.

jtzzr, why would the right-hand rule not apply here? This is exactly the situation where the right hand rule does apply. Did you look at the link to the road code that I supplied earlier?

Yep, I remember when the rule changed to its current one (1977). And I remember all the explanations about why it was a better rule than before. It really doesn't matter what the rule is, as long as everybody knows what it is. And if they don't know, then they shouldn't be driving.

And therein lies the problem People who because they dont know nor understand the road rules make there own ones up and we have what we have on the NZ roads. Angry confused, drivers living in there own little bullets (thats what I call cars that will eventually kill someone) driving blissfully along applying there own version of common sense
On the bike as in the truck I apply one rule above all others. Treat everyone else as a potential moron and increase both our chances of living a bit longer

I stand corrected and hopefully not collected in the future. Thanks for clearing up the misunderstanding or inability to read the road code.

[Mom]

Don't ever chance courtesy at an intersection,you could get impaled by a Virago. On the Goldwing, I would simply ride over you. Stick to the laws of the land and you have a better chance of survival.

Gee you are a lovely bloke

[Owl]

Although I know the van has priority I have never had the opportunity to take advantage of this right of way when I have been on the van's position as so many drivers here just cut across your nose anyway - they even beep if it looked as though you were going to go. This suggests that a great many kiwi drivers are not clear on how this rule works at intersections.

Oh I hear ya!
I learnt this one early on with my driving and 25 years later, it amazes me how many people still don't get it!
The stalemate position and the dumbfounded looks you get when signaling the other party to go. Of course on the other side of the coin, I’ll never take it as a given that another driver will give way to me. Being “in the right” is not an exemption from a hospital visit, so I’m more than happy to use caution with this one! It is nice when people do get it right and I always give a nod or thumbs up!

[Gareth51]

If you had to sit a theroy test each time you renewed your license might make the roads a bit safer out there.A lot of drivers haven't a bloody idea of the road code.
I got my heavy tralier to drive tow trucks back in the sixties to suplement my apprentice wages,haven't needed it since,yet I could legally drive a B train.

[Pascal]

Well, I'm an immigrant and have been driving on NZ roads for almost 7 years now.

Whilst studying up for my Motorcycle Learners I came across this scenario in the road code. And colour me surprised when I saw it, because I had not realized it. It must have slipped through when I sat my original theory test and in all the years I've seen nobody follow that rule - particularly at driveways and car parks and such like.

And yet, it's law. It's the way we're supposed to drive. Now I'm paying a hell of a lot more attention. As a motorcyclist you can't really afford to make mistakes.

[klingon]

I stand corrected and hopefully not collected in the future. Thanks for clearing it up the misunderstanding or inability to read the road code.

Excellent attitude. Keep up your willingness to learn and you will go far.

[prettybillie]

Aren't we the only country that has this rule?

[Badjelly]

I always thought if two vehicles are turning right, courtesy prevails...

That was the case until the "new" road rules came in. 30 years ago!

[pritch]

Keep in mind this also applies to driveways.

Ummm since when? I understood that vehicles not already on the road give way to everything that is.

[Badjelly]

Yes, I remember too. And I quite agree. What the details of the rule are do not really matter . (I can actually remember, I think, when there really was a main road rule). So long as everyone knows it and obeys it. The problem is that half the driving population are too bone stupid and bone lazy to grasp or follow ANY rule. Changing the rule would achieve nothing. They are too stupid to observe any rule.

That is certainly part of the problem.

The other part of the problem is that the current road rules are more complicated in practice. Give way to a vehicle coming out of a side street on your right UNLESS someone's hidden a Give Way sign behind a tree. If you're coming out of an uncontrolled side street, a right-turning vehicle on your left has to give way to you, but for Christ's sake remember the straight-through vehicle (currently obscured) coming through on his left. Vehicle turning left into side street gives way to vehicle turning right into side street UNLESS he's baulked by straight-through vehicle.

The details do matter.

The other people who want it changed, of course, are the immigrants , who as always insist that everything in the country must immediately be changed so as to be exactly as it was "back home". Why they ever bothered to leave "back home" in the first place completely escapes me.

That's ceratinly part of it.

But I've been driving in this country for 35 years and when the "new" road rules were introduced in 1977 (was it?) I was convinced they were a good thing, being simpler, and waited for the transition problems to die down. I'm a stubborn bugger, but after a couple of decades I gave up waiting.