The turning "right hand" rule - need clarification

[ckai]

OK so I've been thinking about this for a little bit now ever since picking up the road code recently for my 6L after some 10 yr + absence from it.

There's a post that's similar to this here (may even be the same). I read over the first 3 pages and was gonna ask this question but noticed it went to 9 pages and looked like it was going off track.

Searched around also but no one has asked the question. No doubt I could have missed something though.

When coming up to an T intersection and you're turning right (Blue car) you give way to big red truck. Is this the same case if big red is on a stop or giveway and you are in a turning bay?

Also how many people actually do this in the general public? I've waited at intersections (big red) and mr blue car rocks up and stops right in front of my path. From the pic he's meant to let me go first. Never happens though.

Another question is, since I'm sitting my restricted soon, what do I do if this situation happens in the test? If Blue car is coming up to the turn, and me being big red have clear road apart from mr blue, do I go? My common sense of the general public says that I should wait BUT will the tester mark down because of not following the road rules?

Hope that's clear Can't be bothered reading over it again.

[Badjelly]

There are no problems with the current right hand rule. It's very simple. You must be mistaken. Isn't it weird you have problems with it and nobody else does? You're making all this up. You must be stupid/lazy/thick/blind.

PS: Sorry about the piss-take. If you do bother to read the thread you linked to, and an earlier thread linked to from there, you will see (amongst other things) that I agree: people don't obey this rule very often, do they?

PPS: Yes, a Give Way or Stop sign definitely does make a difference. But the existence of a turning bay is not relevant.

[The Stranger:Me]

Is this the same case if big red is on a stop or giveway and you are in a turning bay?

No - the person at the stop sign yeilds.

Also how many people actually do this in the general public?

Me

Another question is, since I'm sitting my restricted soon, what do I do if this situation happens in the test? If Blue car is coming up to the turn, and me being big red have clear road apart from mr blue, do I go? My common sense of the general public says that I should wait BUT will the tester mark down because of not following the road rules?

Perhaps put this another way. If you crash you WILL fail. So don't let the other guy determine your destiny. They won't fail you however for the other drivers ignorance. If the other driver fails to yeild, you should - even if only for self preservation.

Damn, I hope this is not a piss take.

[dipshit]

When coming up to an T intersection and you're turning right (Blue car) you give way to big red truck. Is this the same case if big red is on a stop or giveway and you are in a turning bay?

No, If red is on a stop or giveaway sign then blue has right of way. A turning bay is just that... to give them somewhere to safely wait while giving way to any oncoming straight through traffic.

And usually a T intersection like that is marked with a giveaway or stop sign.

[Badjelly]

Damn, I hope this is not a piss take.

At least one of the first 3 messages on this thread is a piss-take. Possibly all 3. But, no, I didn't put ckai up to it.

[Hitcher]

Whatever "rule" is applied at intersections, 43.1% of road users just won't get it. The carnage during the transition will be truly heinous.

"Right of way" is something other road users give you. If they don't give it to you, you haven't got it.

[1vanvan1]

OK so I've been thinking about this for a little bit now ever since picking up the road code recently for my 6L after some 10 yr + absence from it.

There's a post that's similar to this here (may even be the same). I read over the first 3 pages and was gonna ask this question but noticed it went to 9 pages and looked like it was going off track.

Searched around also but no one has asked the question. No doubt I could have missed something though.

When coming up to an T intersection and you're turning right (Blue car) you give way to big red truck. Is this the same case if big red is on a stop or giveway and you are in a turning bay?

Also how many people actually do this in the general public? I've waited at intersections (big red) and mr blue car rocks up and stops right in front of my path. From the pic he's meant to let me go first. Never happens though.

Another question is, since I'm sitting my restricted soon, what do I do if this situation happens in the test? If Blue car is coming up to the turn, and me being big red have clear road apart from mr blue, do I go? My common sense of the general public says that I should wait BUT will the tester mark down because of not following the road rules?

Hope that's clear Can't be bothered reading over it again.

If there are no stop/give way signs treat as an uncontrolled intersection and give way to your right.

Did defensive not long ago and the guy told me while we were out driving. They will fail you if you don't give way. Even if the other guys waves you through you mustn't go.

[vifferman]

When coming up to an T intersection and you're turning right (Blue car) you give way to big red truck. Is this the same case if big red is on a stop or giveway and you are in a turning bay?

No, then red gives way.

Also how many people actually do this in the general public? I've waited at intersections (big red) and mr blue car rocks up and stops right in front of my path. From the pic he's meant to let me go first. Never happens though.

There are a couple of things at work here: the "car stops right in front of you" is just rudeness and impatience (and illegal - as by law you're not allowed to enter an intersection unless your way through it is clear), with Mr Blue Car just insisting on a right of way he does not legally have.
The second thing is that there are some weird "informal" (made up) rules that seem to work especially in D'Auckland. One of them is "the little road gives way to the big road". In your example pic, the road the red bus is on is the "little road" as it's an offshoot of the other road which goes right through, (plus it's wider) thus is the "big road". It's another version of "might is right". This has absolutely NO legal status, but that's how it works in some people's minds. Be aware of this, and that people don't always know what the actual rules are, and even if they do, they don't abide by them.
In practice, there are very few uncontrolled intersections like this, because people are too stupid to work out the rules (the real ones).

Another question is, since I'm sitting my restricted soon, what do I do if this situation happens in the test? If Blue car is coming up to the turn, and me being big red have clear road apart from mr blue, do I go? My common sense of the general public says that I should wait BUT will the tester mark down because of not following the road rules?

It's a tricky one, that you have to "play by ear", that is, see what happens at the time. If you do give way when you actually have right of way, explain to the tester that you were aware of the rules, but didn't assert them because you were exercising caution and the other vehicle gave every indication it wasn't going to give way to you.

[MisterD]

"Right of way" is something other road users give you. If they don't give it to you, you haven't got it.

That is possibly the most sensible thing I have ever heard said on the subject.

Unfortunately 95% of road users don't understand that using the roads is a team game, with the objective that everybody gets to the other end of their journey alive and unscathed...

[Badjelly]

Whatever "rule" is applied at intersections, 43.1% of road users just won't get it.

The carnage during the transition will be truly heinous.

"Right of way" is something other road users give you. If they don't give it to you, you haven't got it.

In turn...

No. If traffic on an "ending road" at a T intersection had to give way to traffic on a "continuing road", I reckon most people would get it. (Given that this is what most people do now anyway.)

I really really doubt that. But feel free to support your statement with evidence from other road-rule transitions overseas.

Yes.

[MSTRS:Me]

Another motorist who has no idea of what they are doing. What is so difficult about giving way to the right? Do you have your hands on backwards?

[yungatart]

Good on you for asking for clarification.
But it is really scary to think you have been riding around for approximately six months, with no idea of what to do at an intersection.

Best you learn quick young fella!

[Badjelly]

MSTRS, Ixion, Stranger, etc, you're stuck in a loop. The current rule is really simple, so anyone can understand it. But so many people clearly don't understand it. (Pause to deal cognitive dissonance). So they're all stupid. In fact, they're so stupid, if the rules were changed, they wouldn't be able to understand them either.

So logical and so wrong. We're talking about human behaviour here.

[yungatart]

MSTRS, Hitcher, Stranger, etc, you're stuck in a loop. The current rule is really simple, so anyone can understand it. But so many people clearly don't understand it. (Pause to deal cognitive dissonance). So they're all stupid. In fact, they're so stupid, if the rules were changed, they wouldn't be able to understand them either.
So logical and so wrong. We're talking about human behaviour here.

I guess I'm one of the etc's..

You are quite right..if the rule was changed, the idiots would still not understand it, we would still have idiots hellbent on destruction on our roads, we would still have carnage.

Then what would you and your band of "lets dumb it down for the idiots" brigade do??

[Badjelly]

MSTRS, Hitcher, Stranger, etc, you're stuck in a loop...

As am I. I think I've said everything I have to say (more than once) and I will spare you all further reiteration. ... Unless I or someone else can come up with some new evidence. I mean, I don't think we don't have to do things exactly the same way they do overseas, but you'd think we could learn something from their experience.