Two bikes down near Akaroa 27/12 (fatality)

**mashman** · 27th December 2008, 23:21

shit i've got friends riding down that way... Anyone know the types of bikes involved please???

**GrayWolf** · 28th December 2008, 00:10

Originally Posted by Brian d'marge

The holidays I stayed off the road ,,,because the townies were out ,,, Seriously BAD driving ... ( not that famers were much better the rest of the time !!
Cant blame anyone for having a go at that one ,,,,
But crossing the center line ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Cant say no more than that
That Tv nz report was sorta on the money ,,, we ( me included ) do cost others a fair bit in medical bills because of the mode of transport ... $ 50 bucks ,,,in a user pays counrty ... ..it could be a lot more than that ..
Stephen

You're right on the user pays system. However the flaw with the current system is the 'No Blame' Policy. I am certainly not absolving bad riding practices, but when you consider that a very high percentage of bike accidnets are "didnt see you mate" ones. One has to wonder how much more observant dirvers would be if they were financialy hit hard for medical bills etc.

Insurances can cover these costs, and that would load the premiums of car drivers rather than loading the bike riders insurances.
As for drivers being observant? Have a wee think on how often you've heard of a Police Motorcyclist being pulled out on...... Drivers DO see bikes, but it is the 'percieved threat' of psychology in action. They are safe in the little tin box. However, Policeman? Er not safe guv, they can "do me" and suddenly the threat they percieve is increased substantialy, the Police bike registers at a higher level.

**scumdog** · 28th December 2008, 00:26

Originally Posted by GrayWolf

One has to wonder how much more observant dirvers would be if they were financialy hit hard for medical bills etc.

Not wishing to hi-jack BUT regarding above: at the time the act of idiocy/carelessness occurs the offending party is very unlikely to consider what you are saying.

**The Stranger:Me** · 28th December 2008, 02:01

Originally Posted by dipshit

So? Why get so morbid and said because some motorcyclists killed themselves..???

They were just having some fun on their bikes... and apparently any mishaps along the way are worth it.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=85594

Ironic - I rode yesterday with Beyond on a coro loop. Yesterday of all days.
Why? Because Beyond was riding.
One of the best riders - if not the best - I have ever riden with.
Don't drag him into this, ride your own ride and judge not.

**swbarnett** · 28th December 2008, 05:00

Originally Posted by Brian d'marge

$ 50 bucks ,,,in a user pays counrty ... ..it could be a lot more than that ..

I lived in a user pays country and it was a lot less than our ACC. Fr180 (approx. $NZ180) bought you full medical insurance for a year anywhere you happened to be inthe world (including a plane ride to a country with decent hospitals if you were up to travelling). And this was uniformally applied across the board regardless of who you were or what mode of transport you chose.

**swbarnett** · 28th December 2008, 05:03

Originally Posted by GrayWolf

You're right on the user pays system. However the flaw with the current system is the 'No Blame' Policy.

I wish we really did have a "No Blame" policy. If we did car drivers would pay the same as us.

**swbarnett** · 28th December 2008, 05:37

Originally Posted by dipshit

So? Why get so morbid and said because some motorcyclists killed themselves..???

They were just having some fun on their bikes... and apparently any mishaps along the way are worth it.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=85594

"We are fragile little beings in the scheme of things and
man, when we hit something hard, our fleshy little bits get
hurt a lot and it isn't fun. Broken bones take a long time
to heal and in cold weather it feels like they never did.

But, man, it's so worth it. I've said over and over again
and so have others, that five minutes in "the zone" on a
nice bit of road, going for it, means you live more in five
minutes than many will in a lifetime."

I just read the entire thread this came from and nowhere in there do I get any indication that beyond would do anything as stupid as what appears to have caused the incident that started this thread. Being in "the zone" does not mean you have a death wish. Unless you know beyond personally and can attest to the contrary I suggest that you refrain from reading things into his writing that simply aren't there.

**awayatc** · 28th December 2008, 05:47

First and foremost my heartfelt condolences to the families and friends of those involved....

In regards to some other posts on this thread....:

Life's full of challenges ,chores ,pleasures and dangers
Having limitations is not a problem,
Not being aware of them, (or ignoring them) is......
Ride your own ride
Enjoy yourselves!

**Elysium** · 28th December 2008, 05:49

Latest update is a married couple on a triumph(assuming a Rocket here) collided with three Jap bikes while attempting an over-taking manoeuvre. A lot of people without loved ones because a simple manoeuvre wasn't done correctly.

Sad day made worse with a volunteer firefighter loosing his life trying to respond to an accident as well.

**RentaTriumph** · 28th December 2008, 07:15

Originally Posted by Elysium

Latest update is a married couple on a triumph(assuming a Rocket here) collided with three Jap bikes while attempting an over-taking manoeuvre. A lot of people without loved ones because a simple manoeuvre wasn't done correctly.

Sad day made worse with a volunteer firefighter loosing his life trying to respond to an accident as well.

Looked to me last night like an early T140 Bonneville possibly Purple and white tank. Said the couple riding the bike who were killed had recently married. Seems one of them had been married before and left a child behind.

**Armitage Shanks** · 28th December 2008, 07:18

Only found out about the crash this morning . I'd been through that area only an hour before on the way back from Akaroa. Will say the conditions were excellent but the traffic was busy and a lot of them tourists, campervans etc. Doe'snt take long to get frustrated and attempt something like what happened, in this case it all went horribly wrong. Damn! Condolences to all affected here.

**Beemer** · 28th December 2008, 07:29

Condolences to the innocent riders/pillions who lost their lives in this crash - not really what I would class as an accident.

The latest from Stuff - http://www.stuff.co.nz/4804409a11.html

A male motorcyclist who tried to overtake three cars caused a four-motorcycle pile-up that killed three people and injured another three yesterday.

The crash occured about 4.30pm on SH75 between Taitapu, about 16km southwest of Christchurch, and Motukarara.

Police described the crash scene on SH75 at 4pm yesterday as looking like a war zone with debris strewn across the road.

Both the man and his passenger, his wife, died at the scene. The couple were recently married and police were last night trying to contact both families, including the man's ex-wife and child.

They had been riding a Triumph motorcycle towards Christchurch when the overtaking manoeuvre went wrong and they collided with three Japanese-brand motorcycles travelling in the opposite direction towards Akaroa. A male rider in this group died and his female passenger is in Christchurch Hospital critically injured. Another female rider received minor injuries and a third male motorcyclist, who rode through the crash, escaped without injury.

**Okey Dokey** · 28th December 2008, 07:34

Aaahh no, this is not good to hear. Heartfelt condolences to the families involved in this tragedy.

**NodMan:Me** · 28th December 2008, 08:07

heartfelt condolences to all involved,
not the time for conjecture but you can only choose who you ride with but none of us have control on what is coming the other way. R.I.P. those that have left us, please ride safe everyone whose still here!