Two bikes down near Akaroa 27/12 (fatality)

**AllanB** · 1st January 2009, 11:25

Originally Posted by blairh

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4804943a11.html
Yeah that really sums it up pretty well for me..

That's a surprisingly good report.

One other consideration to ponder when hooning, in this particular case, in the event the Triumph rider survived this mess he caused (still killing the others) he would be spending a lengthy term in prison.

**Mully Clown** · 1st January 2009, 11:51

Originally Posted by AllanB

That's a surprisingly good report.

One other consideration to ponder when hooning, in this particular case, in the event the Triumph rider survived this mess he caused (still killing the others) he would be spending a lengthy term in prison.

Right after the lengthy stay in hospital... where he came out with loss of leg movement.

**marty** · 1st January 2009, 13:19

that's just it, there is no legislation for or against it - common sense prevails (hard to believe I know...)

**Ixion** · 1st January 2009, 13:30

Based on the pictures I would think overtaking there to be ill advised. At most perhaps one vehicle at a time. To attempt a multi vehicle pass ending beyond the second bend I must term gross folly.

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 1st January 2009, 14:31

I said it before and I'll say it again just because there is no yellow lines on the road doesn't mean that it okay spot to pass... on any road and or in or riding any vehicle...

When passing any vehicle you need to be 110% sure no vehicle is in any obscure spot that you may or may not be able to see... and as the road rules state you need to 100 metres clear all the way through the maneuver and you are technically not to exceed 100 kph during the maneuver. (yes I know we all exceed hence... technically)

**Muppet** · 1st January 2009, 15:19

Originally Posted by scumdog

True.
An accident is like when a tree falls suddenly on front of your bike, not when somebody takes a mental free-turn and starts passing cars on a left-hand bend...

The irony!

**Armitage Shanks** · 1st January 2009, 16:41

Have the drivers of the 8 ( ? ) cars been interviewed yet and what's their story ? I agree to take on 8 cars is something I've never done and never will ( unless it's on a looong straight )

Did he plan on doing 3 cars first and slipping behind number 4 , but some wayne closed the gap and kept him out there ?

Conjecture's a great thing , must say I'm always double careful when I have my vacuum cleaner pilot sitting behind me.

**dipshit** · 1st January 2009, 17:04

Originally Posted by Armitage Shanks

Did he plan on doing 3 cars first and slipping behind number 4 , but some wayne closed the gap and kept him out there ?

Yeah, those fucking cages, a!

**Patrick** · 2nd January 2009, 15:35

Originally Posted by Kiwi Graham

The fact is sadly, fellow bikers have died doing what they enjoyed doing, regardless of who did what and when.
It should not be seen as an opportunity by Katman or anyone else to do the 'I told you so sermon'
Where is the fukin respect for those no longer here.

Isnt the perpose of this thread to inform of the tragedy, offer an opportunity for others to give there condolences and move on with respect.........FFS

I don't see it as a "told you so" thing. The truth hurts sometimes, but some times some need to hear the truth.

Originally Posted by chanceyy

as Kiwi Graham above states this thread is to inform of the tragedy, & for ppl to offer their condolences.

yes the nazi mod is on duty again & off topic posts have been moved, and will continue to be moved .. so why do you not take your debate to pd where it belongs

But surely the point of the discussion is making sure we don't get more of these threads and some learn from the bad mistakes made? (Wishful thinking perhaps, but still the point, all the same?)

Originally Posted by blairh

As I said earlier.. there's no point in us all sitting around feeling sorry for people. The point is to learn from this mistake and make sure none of us do it ourselves. That way maybe we'll save another 3 lives....

I personally think that's worth a sermon.

+1...............

**denill** · 2nd January 2009, 16:41

Patrick - as a long term Biker who has survived, I strongly support your summary of this thread.

Read his post slowly and think about it.
From the tragedy some benefit may just result??

**mdnzz** · 2nd January 2009, 17:19

we were on the same road today following a farmers ute doing between 80-85kms, when a camper van decided to overtake us both with a corner coming up, massive blind spot and fark all room for any contingency plan.
As it happens a car comes round the corner towards so that they had to serve back onto the right side of the road and regain control of their now fishtailing camper wagon.
So it seems while KB'ers understand the stupidity of such driving the rest of the world thinks they are still invulnerable in their cages and don't give a stuff about any other roads users.
At the end of the day all or any discussions on any forum will fall into a too hard to do something about basket or just fall on deaf ears.
Until people start taking responsibility for their actions, the judges get tough and criminal lawyers stop finding namby pamby PC excuses for their scumbag clients nothing will ever change.

**Katman** · 2nd January 2009, 17:23

What I have always hated about these threads is the fact that as soon as anyone suggests that a good, hard look be taken at any tragedy in the hope that important lessons are learned, certain moderators step in to ensure the thread is full of nothing but worthless "RIP fellow biker" posts (or the even more pathetic variant - "...........").

**Kiwi Graham:Me** · 2nd January 2009, 17:43

Originally Posted by Katman

What I have always hated about these threads is the fact that as soon as anyone suggests that a good, hard look be taken at any tragedy in the hope that important lessons are learned, certain moderators step in to ensure the thread is full of nothing but worthless "RIP fellow biker" posts (or the even more pathetic variant - "...........").

If your so keen on imposing your beliefs on others why not start your own thread about it instead of 'crashing' others. That way those who are interested in what you have to say can have you all to themselves.

**Jantar** · 2nd January 2009, 17:44

Originally Posted by Katman

What I have always hated about these threads is the fact that as soon as anyone suggests that a good, hard look be taken at any tragedy in the hope that important lessons are learned, certain moderators step in to ensure the thread is full of nothing but worthless "RIP fellow biker" posts (or the even more pathetic variant - "...........").

Not so. Check the site rules. What we ask is that threads about a specific serious or fatal accident remain on topic, and do not contain any speculation or accusations that may cause hurt or consternation to the victims family.

If you wish to discuss accident cause/effect then do it in a seperate thread. Certainly use any specific event as an example if you have specific information about that accident. Otherwise keep it general.

I have already stated that in my opinion any comment on dangerous riding should be made anytime that such riding is evident and not to wait until a fatality occurs.

**dipshit** · 2nd January 2009, 17:53

Originally Posted by Jantar

Not so. Check the site rules. What we ask is that threads about a specific serious or fatal accident remain on topic, and do not contain any speculation or accusations that may cause hurt or consternation to the victims family.

Unless it's somehow laying the blame on f*ing cage drivers, a?