Two bikes down near Akaroa 27/12 (fatality)

[gammaguy]

i always know when a thread has exhausted its productive and relevant phase,its when everyone starts calling each other names..........

[laRIKin]

OK I was not going to post, but I think I will now.

I know a guy that is a close friend of the girl that was last in the line of bikes and was very lucky to not get hurt to bad.

The on coming Triumph had finished over taking the cars BEFORE the corner.
When he and his partner came around the corner, he went wide and crossed the centre line and hit the other bike head on.

At the time NO cars had can around the corner to see what happened at the time of the crash.
And the only witness at the time of the crash was her, that is the girl that survived. (of course there is still the poor girl in a coma that will not be talking for awhile)

She is getting pissed off with the reporters and every one else that thinks they know want happened.
And what is being said about the crash.

As she said, SHE is the only one that was there, that is still a live, that seen want happened and is getting overruled by everyone else.

And this is the only reason I'm posting this is to get her side out.

Why the guy ran wide I do not know.
Bump? To fast? gravel? Who knows?

RIP all those that were there and passed away.
And may the families and friends find peace in time.

First and last post on this from me.

[chanceyy]

Thank you Lemans for posting, of course the only ones who could comment accurately were the witnesses but in typical KB fashion, everyone is an expert ..

[Winston001]

OK I was not going to post, but I think I will now.

I know a guy that is a close friend of the girl that was last in the line of bikes and was very lucky to not get hurt to bad.

The on coming Triumph had finished over taking the cars BEFORE the corner.
When he and his partner came around the corner, he went wide and crossed the centre line and hit the other bike head on.

At the time NO cars had can around the corner to see what happened at the time of the crash.
And the only witness at the time of the crash was her, that is the girl that survived. (of course there is still the poor girl in a coma that will not be talking for awhile)

She is getting pissed off with the reporters and every one else that thinks they know want happened.
And what is being said about the crash.

As she said, SHE is the only one that was there, that is still a live, that seen want happened and is getting overruled by everyone else.

And this is the only reason I'm posting this is to get her side out.

Why the guy ran wide I do not know.
Bump? To fast? gravel? Who knows?

RIP all those that were there and passed away.
And may the families and friends find peace in time.

First and last post on this from me.

Thankyou very much Lemans for this clear description. A mate and I were on the way through Kaikoura the day this happened and were pretty solemn when we heard. We also had worried family and friends contacting us.

Since then I've been around the North Island, visited Headbanger in Wanganui, and now on the way home. I've checked this thread from time to time to try and understand what happened. I've carried this tragedy with me and it is being talked about by motorcyclists everywhere. Your post is appreciated

[Patrick]

... the police and MoT admit, unofficially, that their real purpose now is to slow traffic down. To the speed of the aforesaid bowling hatted twit.

First part is right. The second part is wrong. Just sown to the actual speed limit is more like it.

[swbarnett]

First part is right. The second part is wrong. Just sown to the actual speed limit is more like it.

This of course takes no account of the natural human reaction to being prevented from driving to the legal limit for no good reason. The result is that drivers lose respect for the yellow line and end up ignoring even those that are there for genuine safety reasons.

[scumdog]

This of course takes no account of the natural human reaction to being prevented from driving to the legal limit for no good reason. The result is that drivers lose respect for the yellow line and end up ignoring even those that are there for genuine safety reasons.

Yeah, and the next thing they'll ignoree stop signs, traffic-lights, give ways and driving on the left too....

Let the anarchy (and carnage) begin.

[Patrick]

This of course takes no account of the natural human reaction to being prevented from driving to the legal limit for no good reason. The result is that drivers lose respect for the yellow line and end up ignoring even those that are there for genuine safety reasons.

Most, if not all, yellows are there because of some accident that occurred.

Yeah, and the next thing they'll ignoree stop signs, traffic-lights, give ways and driving on the left too....

Let the anarchy (and carnage) begin.

Couldn't have said it better.....

[Ixion]

First part is right. The second part is wrong. Just sown to the actual speed limit is more like it.

Not so. It is an unarguable fact that any stream of traffic will have sooner or later some vehicle that is travelling way under the speed limit . For many reasons. A tractor, an elderly car, a laden truck, or, as noted a bowling hatted twit.

Such slow traffic is universal, and inevitable. On a 'normal' road, traffic moving at the speed limit (or above of course) will, after a while pass the slow vehicle.

But, when yellow lines are painted for tens of kilometres on end, as is now common, it is not possible for traffic to pass the slow vehicles. And since police never enforce the laws that would require such vehicles to pull over and let traffic past, the actual, inevitable, and intended result of the unending yellow lines is that all traffic is reduced to the speed of the slowest vehicle on the roads, which is always going to be way below the speed limit.

[quickbuck]

OK I was not going to post, but I think I will now.
.....

Thnak you.
This explination makes more sense....

I guess we may never know what put him on the wrong side of the road, but wind was mentioned......

A case of all the holes in the cheese lining up: James Reason.

[piston broke]

[QUOTE=Patrick;1874465]Most, if not all, yellows are there because of some accident that occurred.

up here on a realitivly quiet road they have just put in 2 solid yellow lines that are on straight pieces of road with at least 400m clear view.
oh and they are about the only really safe passing spots on a 8+km road

and for some reason they are making a lot of good roads 80kph

[quickbuck]

Paint must be cheaper than driver education...... Put up the price of oil again I say!

[Forest]

Why the guy ran wide I do not know.
Bump? To fast? gravel? Who knows?

I expect he ran wide because he was carrying too much speed from the over-taking maneuver.

But I wasn't there and do not know.

[quickbuck]

I expect he ran wide because he was carrying too much speed from the over-taking maneuver.

But I wasn't there and do not know.

Or looked across at the bikes coming toward him.....???
Again, wasn't there, don't know.....

[swbarnett]

Most, if not all, yellows are there because of some accident that occurred.

Just because an accident occurred in a particular place does not make that an inherintly dangerous place to pass. Accidents have occurred due to poor motorway lane changing. Are you going to ban lane changes on the Motorway?