Biker carnage on the increase (Stuff article)

**MarkH** · 1st January 2009, 21:30

Originally Posted by dipshit

Don't go there. Bikes that are treated like play things and only get taken out on sunny weekends for a hoon aren't going to look good for kms travelled vs accident.

Yeah, but then there is my scooter that has don over 10,000 in about 4 months, plenty of guys on KB go out in the weekends and ride 300 or 400 kms, after riding the same bike to and from work all week. I'd rather see the real stats then the twits using a little incomplete and misleading information to justify some stupid new law.

**Katman** · 1st January 2009, 21:56

Originally Posted by MarkH

I'd rather see the real stats then the twits using a little incomplete and misleading information to justify some stupid new law.

I hate to break it to you but I actually don't think they will care what you'd rather see.

**Pixie** · 2nd January 2009, 09:14

Originally Posted by toycollector10

Surfcaster on the rocks with his back to the waves: $40 instant fine!

Ten year old out of their depth not displaying FWF (five widths freestyle sticker): $50 instant fine!

Caught on the water without a life jacket: $100 instant fine.

Floating on Lake Wakatipu on a Warehouse inflatable with only beer bottles as additional floatation aids: $200 instant fine!

River rafting with a Warehouse inflatable aeroplane: $300 instant fine!

I get it, idiots on/in the water die too. I see an opening here for the fun police and a great revenue stream for the gumm'int.

But wait,there's more:

Visiting Micky Dee's: $100 fine

Failure to do 30 mins exercise per day: $150 fine

**MarkH** · 2nd January 2009, 09:56

Originally Posted by Katman

I hate to break it to you but I actually don't think they will care what you'd rather see.

Of course not, they have their agendas and they can find the stats they like to justify whatever that decide they want to do.

**Winston001** · 10th January 2009, 17:46

Originally Posted by MarkH

Of course not, they have their agendas and they can find the stats they like to justify whatever that decide they want to do.

What agenda? I'm curious.

**Ixion** · 10th January 2009, 19:00

Putting motorbikes off the road. Nothing new about that.

**Kickaha** · 10th January 2009, 19:17

Originally Posted by MarkH

Of course not, they have their agendas and they can find the stats they like to justify whatever that decide they want to do.

And some can present a good argument to disprove what they say

**riffer** · 10th January 2009, 19:22

That's a bloody good article Warwick. Good find, and a credible source to boot.

Cheers

**98tls** · 10th January 2009, 19:31

Anyone know if 4 wheeler accidents are still included in the stats?Never worked out how someone having an accident/death on something with 4 wheels got to be included with motorcycle stats myself.

**Jantar** · 10th January 2009, 19:40

Yes, Quad bikes are included in the official stats providing the accident happens on the road.

ACC treats the stats differently. All bike, trike and quad accidents are included, on or off road. This explains why ACC and LTNZ stats never agree with each other.

**Ixion** · 10th January 2009, 19:42

Charles Lamb. A noble name , and noble sentiments to match it. Well done, give that man an orang-utan.

I shall be contacting Mr Lamb.

And what is this Australasian Motorcycle Project, anyway ?

**98tls** · 10th January 2009, 19:45

Originally Posted by Jantar

Yes, Quad bikes are included in the official stats providing the accident happens on the road.

ACC treats the stats differently. All bike, trike and quad accidents are included, on or off road. This explains why ACC and LTNZ stats never agree with each other.

Cheers.I always agreed with off road bikes being included as they are after all motorcycles but struggle with 3 and 4 wheelers.

**Ixion** · 10th January 2009, 19:47

In fact, Mr Lamb sounds like an all round good bastard

Charles Lamb is Senior Lecturer and Head of Marketing in the Commerce Division of Lincoln University, in Christchurch, New Zealand. He rebuilt his first motorcycle in 1969 (a 1941 Indian, which he still owns) and, while living in Invercargill, became quite close to Burt Munro. Recently, he founded PRISM (Promotion of Responsibility in Safe Motorcycling) in response to the renewed enthusiasm in NZ for motorcycling, and to help train both young and older people in riding for recreation and sport. At Lincoln University he has also established the AIMS (Australasian Institute for Motorcycle Studies) project, which is a developing research centre for all motorcycle related studies.

Anyone know the man ?

EDIT: Lincoln website says his current research includes research into wine consumption behaviour. I like the man moe and more. I think I want him to have my babies.