Learning lines

[The Stranger:Me]

[QUOTE=prettybillie;1897594]

Biggest crock of shit I've been told is never use the front break. WTF? I think my ex might have wanted to kill me!!!!!

As a matter of interest, did you leave him, or did he leave you?

[prettybillie]

[QUOTE=The Stranger;1897681]

As a matter of interest, did you leave him, or did he leave you?

The cunt dumped me.......I KNOW!!!! More fool me really!!!!!

[fizbin]

Road or track?
having never ridden on the track i can even begin to talk about that but if you are after basic road advice then i might suggest the NASS. Depends on your skill level and what you want out of it but most people find that it offers very good advice and will answer almost all of your road (and sometimes track) questions.
Give it ago it is free and if it not what you are after then all you have wasted is an evening of pleasant company ..... well most of us are pleasant

[Supermac Jr]

If it's for the road, I suggest you check out the RRRS course on the 18th of Jan.

I went to the RRRS course on Sunday - its an absolute MUST!

the guys pointed out some of the things I need to change (based on wrong advise...) so some of the things just feel different but I follow the reason(s) behind the change. its just annoying having to unlearn and re-learn.

[sosman]

Get a bucket & thrash the fuck out of it(ok take it easy to start) while learning lines & race craft & i'll bet ya yr mean GSXR6hundy will feel like a wollowing whale with grunt!.
Just go down on practice day,plenty of fella's will let ya have a go & its a good way to scrub in those leathers at low speed too! Muhaha

[McJim]

So you have ridden a 600 IL4 sprotbike without using the front brake and you can still type/walk/eat solid food?

Your skills must be impressive indeed.

As has been said before for roadcraft you can't beat RRRS - I used a few of the principles from that course when I sold my wife's RG150 to a fella down here. Wouldn't let him ride the open road until I had him doing passable emergency stops using both brakes (also made him do figure eights and taught him about late apex cornering) That was a year ago and I've still seen him riding around so I'd like to think I had some hand in that.

[sinfull]

Did he ride him a hawg?

He may have meant to "not use the front brake in the corner". But even this is misinformation. You can brake (with either brake) in a corner, as long as you don't brake hard enough to use up available grip or unsettle the bike.

One extreem to another V man !

So you have ridden a 600 IL4 sprotbike without using the front brake and you can still type/walk/eat solid food?

Your skills must be impressive indeed.

As has been said before for roadcraft you can't beat RRRS - I used a few of the principles from that course when I sold my wife's RG150 to a fella down here. Wouldn't let him ride the open road until I had him doing passable emergency stops using both brakes (also made him do figure eights and taught him about late apex cornering) That was a year ago and I've still seen him riding around so I'd like to think I had some hand in that.

+1 or was that a dozen posts saying the rrrs course ? Track days like youv'e just done will teach you what your bike is capable of (and get you addicted to them) but if ya wanna stay safe on the road do as many road safe courses as ya can find !
You might find your bike is set up very well (from a previous post lol) Wont say do it this way or do it that way, but i will say that a back brake is only any good for holding you on a hill ! And that touching a front brake in a corner could stand your bike upright (but you will know that by now)

[Winston001]

Best advice I ever got for *road* riding is:

a) Do your braking before the corner. If you've picked the right entry speed there is almost no need to trail the brakes on the road. Only thing I can think of is a downhill corner and you're in the wrong gear.

b) Slow in fast out -

This I don't get - if you go into a corner slowly, certainly that is safe. But you are unlikely to be leaning and carving a line.

I sincerely think that one person's "slow" might be damned fast to another. I can tell you that my idea of slow left me hundreds of meters behind other riders.

So while respecting the advice, its not particularly meaningful.

[The Stranger:Me]

This I don't get - if you go into a corner slowly, certainly that is safe. But you are unlikely to be leaning and carving a line.

I sincerely think that one person's "slow" might be damned fast to another. I can tell you that my idea of slow left me hundreds of meters behind other riders.

So while respecting the advice, its not particularly meaningful.

I've always taken that to mean that you are better to err on the slow (for your ability) side on entry and accellerate through the corner.
Lets face it if you listen to dipshit the most common bike accident is leaving a RH bend. The majority of those accidents would not have happened had they adopted the slow in side of the equasion, so I would have thought it fairly sound advice.

It occurs to me the biggest issue you faced was determining what was slow or fast for you for a given corner prior to reaching it.

[jrandom]

So you have ridden a 600 IL4 sprotbike without using the front brake and you can still type/walk/eat solid food?

I make riding without touching the brakes a regular exercise on the road. Roll on, roll off, happiness and contentment shortly follow.

[Mully]

Roll on, roll off, happiness and contentment shortly follow.

Like the Karate Kid?

+whatever number for RRRS - did it on Sunday and it was eye-opening.

[discotex]

This I don't get - if you go into a corner slowly, certainly that is safe. But you are unlikely to be leaning and carving a line.

I sincerely think that one person's "slow" might be damned fast to another. I can tell you that my idea of slow left me hundreds of meters behind other riders.

So while respecting the advice, its not particularly meaningful.

The Stranger hit the nail on the head.

It's all relative to your ability. A lot of people have a tendency to attack corners with lots of speed and find themselves doing the opposite. Fast in, slow out. Often that's combined with braking mid corner or running wide on exit. Not to mention the "oh shit" moments if the corner tightens.

[retro asian]

Road or track?
having never ridden on the track i can even begin to talk about that but if you are after basic road advice then i might suggest the NASS. Depends on your skill level and what you want out of it but most people find that it offers very good advice and will answer almost all of your road (and sometimes track) questions.
Give it ago it is free and if it not what you are after then all you have wasted is an evening of pleasant company ..... well most of us are pleasant

+1 for NASS

Best value for no money too

[The Stranger:Me]

+1 for NASS

Best value for no money too

With all due respect to Dawn and the others that have given of their valuable time. Whilst it is possible to practise specific skills it is not possible in the short time available and with a transient class from week to week to bring those skills together and demonstrate how each piece fits in to the puzzle. There is no way to assess each individual and move them to a logical conclusion, it can't be done in the current format.

I think that like a trackday, the NASS is an excellent idea and allows you to tick off some boxes.

You already know my advice.

[quickbuck]

I make riding without touching the brakes a regular exercise on the road. Roll on, roll off, happiness and contentment shortly follow.

I have taken this approach in my middle age too.....
Saves a lot of wear and tear.... and makes a much smoother rider... not to mention improves corner speeds.

I'm organising an RRRS course for the boys and girls down this way for late May.
Haven't done one myself, so it will be interesting.
Done many courses myself... you can not be over-trained!