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    Borderline offending

    Quote Originally Posted by McJim View Post
    Unfortunately the lawmakers (not the enforcers) have stuffed up again and brought subjectivity into the equation. It will be down to OPINION in many cases. Was it safe to stop wasn't it? You can't really prove either way scientifically if it's a borderline case. On occasion with my children in the car I have gone through an amber light because between the light changing from green to amber only gave me enough time to perform an emergency stop and this would have caused seatbelt bruising to my children - not life threateneing maybe but needles nonetheless.

    By targeting the borderline cases the police are sending a clear message.

    Now I don't hate the police but if they cut these things really close to the bone then that tells me that I have hit the nail on the head.
    Interesting. I frequently stop people for orange lights who tel me they couldn't stop because the car behind them was too close. Trouble was, I was watching and there either wasn't a car behind them at all, or it was a long way back.

    You also mentioned revenue targets. Let me tell you that if it was about revenue we'd be doing a lot of things that target easier revenue. We'd be sitting outside schools to get the $400 for restricted licence breaches. We'd be enforcing the lane driving, there is so much crap lane driving that would be a an easier revenue maker then staking out a set of traffic lights.

    In terms of borderline cases, we don't even go there. We only deal with those who could have stopped easily within the time given. It makes me laugh when someone is stationary behind a limit line (the white line), waiting for a light to change. When it goes yellow they accelerate to use the yellow phase as a turning phase. We stop them and they argue that they couldn't stop. WHAT ? They WERE stopped, they accelerated after the light changed.

    The most exciting red light I ever had to enforce was K Rd and Upper Queen Street. The intersection has long since been redesigned. We used to have to sit on the South West corner, watching the lights for traffic coming up the hill from Upper Queen St. They crash the red, then we'd have to get the R80RT lights and sirens going and get across the red light before the K Rd traffic headed off. It was a rush, and thank God none of us ever came to grief. The intersection was re-engineered, and the problem moved.

    WE base our targeting on the speed, length of yellow phase, and distance the vehicle is into the intersection when the light goes red. If the vehicle is only a car length (3 to 4 metres) across the limit lines when the light goes red, at 50 km/h they were maybe 50 metres back when the light went yellow. To argue they couldn't have stopped is complete tosh. All the intersections in Christchurch that we deal with, we have a minimum 4 second yellow before red. One exception is Pilgrim Place, where the yellow light is only 3 seconds. That's due to Pilgrim PLace beinmg very short, and nobody getting up to more than 30 - 40 before the lights.

    Last point; lots of people will tell you they are good drivers. Then they do stupid things in their cars, and ask you to believe their driving skill was insufficient for them to comply with the law.

    Yellow light laws aren't new. But our focus on them is.

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    i have never gone over the speed limit or ran through red lights............................................ .................................................. .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattian View Post
    Ok, I have a question. If you are being followed very closely by a determined tailgater (we have all had one of those) up to a set of lights and, it turns orange. Its possible for you to stop safely but, are extremely worried that this twit behind you doesn't want to stop for the lights. Is this an acceptable defence?
    NO. It is the responsibility of the following vehicle to be able to stop in half the clear distance of road ahead. If they run into you its their fault. Feel safer now...
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    As much as I love stopping for yellows, there's always some tool right on my back tyre. Also, whenever I kill myself stopping for a yellow, I always see 2-3 cars cross the intersection AFTER I've come to a stop. What a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by breakaway View Post
    As much as I love stopping for yellows, there's always some tool right on my back tyre. Also, whenever I kill myself stopping for a yellow, I always see 2-3 cars cross the intersection AFTER I've come to a stop. What a joke.
    fuckin cagers man

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    Quote Originally Posted by PirateJafa View Post
    On a more serious note guys, aren't there already perfectly good laws covering most of these? Careless/Dangerous/Typical Driving?
    You can never have too many laws... right..???
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    Quote Originally Posted by youngbiker16 View Post
    i have never gone over the speed limit or ran through red lights............................................ .................................................. .....
    Can GN's actually do that...
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    The Original Offence

    This is the letter and the video that started all this.

    VERY IMPORTANT - READ THE LETTER BEFORE WATCHING THE VIDEO

    I stopped the guy and wrote him a ticket for going through a late yellow light. He then wrote in the attached letter.

    Then we went and watched the video, and couldn't believe it was the same thing.

    http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6aM9JziD_k

    He is in the blue Nissan station wagon. In the video look for the car following him.

    After all this, in future don't wonder why the Police person who deals with you might have some degree of skepticism about your explanation for what they have accused you of. The culture of denial is alive and well in this country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FJRider View Post
    Can GN's actually do that...
    hahaahhhahaa to right mate

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    Quote Originally Posted by FJRider View Post
    Can GN's actually do that...
    maybe in a 50kph zone wohoooo lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by youngbiker16 View Post
    maybe in a 50kph zone wohoooo lol
    actually no i cant speed or break the limit in a 50kph zone and i never have and never will i ride responsibly

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    If you are indeed a man of the law Rastuscat I wouldn't be getting too friendly with Mr. Youngbiker16. I am referring to a previous post he made about men in uniform making him hard.

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    hey mattian!!! i do not know what you are talking about i dont get a hard on by men in uniforms maybe youre hearing what you want to hear

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    Interesting. I frequently stop people for orange lights who tel me they couldn't stop because the car behind them was too close. Trouble was, I was watching and there either wasn't a car behind them at all, or it was a long way back.

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    Pray keep on stopping them.

    Much of the "I couldn't have stopped safely.." is self induced, because people race up to the green flat tit. If you are approaching a light, and it is green and has been for a while, y' don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that it's probably going to change, So, start slowing down. Then when it DOES go orange, stopping is easy.

    I usually approach a stale green on a trailing throttle - and have no troble stopping. The "guy behind me couldn't have stopped " is solved this way to. If you can stop, then he can ! After all, he's behindb you.
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