Our own worst enemy

[carver]

When you said who gives a fuck about "too many other people who could become victims of your actions" and most bins wins, do you really not care if you T-bone some random car one day and kill the people in it, or come around a corner in town at 160 and plow over a group of little kids messing around on the road? I don't mean to get all dramatic about it or try to tell you to ride differently but that's the only reason I personally don't bother speeding on the road. A nice part of twisties is hard not to have a play on but nothing too serious for me and I don't go out specifically for a thrash. Not getting on my high chair though, you'll ride as you want, I'm not going to give you shit.

if kids are messing around on the roads i do 160 on, they have issues greater than me

some of yopu old cunts are the worst.............HAH MEEEEEEEEEE TO ATEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, I enjoyed that ride around coro awhile ago.....u owned this old n00b on his ducati with an ER650?....................I blame the friendly maori girl and the homegwown ciggarettezzzzzzzzzz @ the coroglen

god, did i miss that?
my mate freddy was getting high at every stop, your all good dude, and ya give that duc shit!

[wbks]

Wasn't saying you have issues but kids are idiotic but it doesn't matter how idiotic they are, 'cause it would be you with the blood all over your bike. Not going to go on a rant I just thought it was a different angle to "don't speed you shithead moron you're giving us a bad name so this is why I pay so much for registration". Anyway, carry on people

[carver]

Wasn't saying you have issues but kids are idiotic but it doesn't matter how idiotic they are, 'cause it would be you with the blood all over your bike. Not going to go on a rant I just thought it was a different angle to "don't speed you shithead moron you're giving us a bad name so this is why I pay so much for registration". Anyway, carry on people

i have seen kids get hit by cars before, seen them get thrown up in the air like a rag doll while tires squeal.

all at legal speeds.

so there ya go, its the kids who are at fault, and it is the parents who raise em

[1 Free Man]

Yip, a rant thread...
I have come to the conclusion that we the motorcyclists, are our own worst enemy... now of course I'm not saying we all are but the arse's out there end up getting us all tarred with the same brush....

IMO, I think its down to 2 different bereads of riders, 1st the young, on too powerful bikes for their skill level, they have always been there and always will till the GVT does something about licencing.

The other are born again riders, due to the economy being great over the last few years have had spare money to spend on toys and why not go back to there teen years and jump back on a bike, only bikes have more power, theres more traffic and they still think they are 25.

I agree with the general point that you are making but what makes you come to the conclusion that it is only two groups of riders that are at fault??
I see from another of your posting that you are in fact 30 years of age. You have condemmed the young and in experienced. You have condemed the older and more stable mature riders. Your own age group is faultless. GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK. I have been on the road riding since march last year. I have clocked up 12,000kms in that time. I have had no near misses, no bins, no problems.
You could blame that on the VL that I ride because it's not a rocket by any means but it can still happily break the open road speed limit.
Call me an old cunt call me a Nana who gives a flying fuck but while your at it call me mature and level headed because that's what I blame my track record on
Now MR. DANGEROUS and 30years old. Do you care to share with the KB community your blemish free track record.??
Yor age group, according to you, is the IDEA age to be a rider. Your not young dumb and full of cum and your not an old cunt with money and a nice bike.
In my limited experience it's that very age group that have tried to blow my mirrors off with their flash passing manouvers. They are the ones that have passed me on blind corners with double yellow line and on coming traffic.
They are the ones that want, NO NEED to show the riding world that their penis is bigger than everyone elses. That their balls are beyond compare.
In closing my friend I would suggest that if you feel inclined to TAR the biking fraternity with stupidity TAR the whole fucking lot with the same brush don't be group selective because the group that you belong to ain't so fucking flash either.
We all can be idiots at times no denial of that young old and the in between.

[98tls]

I agree with the general point that you are making but what makes you come to the conclusion that it is only two groups of riders that are at fault??
I see from another of your posting that you are in fact 30 years of age. You have condemmed the young and in experienced. You have condemed the older and more stable mature riders. Your own age group is faultless. GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK. I have been on the road riding since march last year. I have clocked up 12,000kms in that time. I have had no near misses, no bins, no problems.
You could blame that on the VL that I ride because it's not a rocket by any means but it can still happily break the open road speed limit.
Call me an old cunt call me a Nana who gives a flying fuck but while your at it call me mature and level headed because that's what I blame my track record on
Now MR. DANGEROUS and 30years old. Do you care to share with the KB community your blemish free track record.??
Yor age group, according to you, is the IDEA age to be a rider. Your not young dumb and full of cum and your not an old cunt with money and a nice bike.
In my limited experience it's that very age group that have tried to blow my mirrors off with their flash passing manouvers. They are the ones that have passed me on blind corners with double yellow line and on coming traffic.
They are the ones that want, NO NEED to show the riding world that their penis is bigger than everyone elses. That their balls are beyond compare.
In closing my friend I would suggest that if you feel inclined to TAR the biking fraternity with stupidity TAR the whole fucking lot with the same brush don't be group selective because the group that you belong to ain't so fucking flash either.
We all can be idiots at times no denial of that young old and the in between.

Ds 30? Wasnt last time we hooked up,far from it.He is though a cunt though he does however ride a nice bike,no matter what your interpretation of his meaning by posting this thread he clearly stated earlier that if just one took notice in a positive way then all is good.His intention was pretty clear and what your interpretation of it has to do with anything is well...

[JMemonic]

You have condemed the older and more stable mature riders.

No he did not, he pointed a finger at the born again riders, the ones who have held a licence for many years and a full at that how have returned to riding, who have gone out and purchased a bike larger than their skill set allows (yet they have the licence for), and not up skilled.

He never said he is blemish free or obeys the laws etc what he has asked for is people to display some common sense.

I guess as you are in the older bracket, (by your admission) and just starting out then you feel for some reason you are targeted by this, where as according to D's ideas you are doing the right thing, the roads he has observed these lack of skills on are busy roads whit bikes, cars and camper vans on all in a hurry to get to where they are going with litte regard to on coming traffic or other road users, perhaps you need to re read the original post with out the attitude that he is attacking you and if you still feel attacked well its your interpretation. Older riders are not always stable, mid life crisis, think they are 18 still, and gods on two wheels that's who he is getting at,

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

I agree with the general point that you are making but what makes you come to the conclusion that it is only two groups of riders that are at fault??
I see from another of your posting that you are in fact 30 years of age. You have condemmed the young and in experienced. You have condemed the older and more stable mature riders. Your own age group is faultless. GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK. I have been on the road riding since march last year. I have clocked up 12,000kms in that time. I have had no near misses, no bins, no problems.
You could blame that on the VL that I ride because it's not a rocket by any means but it can still happily break the open road speed limit.
Call me an old cunt call me a Nana who gives a flying fuck but while your at it call me mature and level headed because that's what I blame my track record on
Now MR. DANGEROUS and 30years old. Do you care to share with the KB community your blemish free track record.??
Yor age group, according to you, is the IDEA age to be a rider. Your not young dumb and full of cum and your not an old cunt with money and a nice bike.
In my limited experience it's that very age group that have tried to blow my mirrors off with their flash passing manouvers. They are the ones that have passed me on blind corners with double yellow line and on coming traffic.
They are the ones that want, NO NEED to show the riding world that their penis is bigger than everyone elses. That their balls are beyond compare.
In closing my friend I would suggest that if you feel inclined to TAR the biking fraternity with stupidity TAR the whole fucking lot with the same brush don't be group selective because the group that you belong to ain't so fucking flash either.
We all can be idiots at times no denial of that young old and the in between.

Ummm I suggest you go back and actually read what he said... then re-read it

[98tls]

Ummm I suggest you go back and actually read what he said... then re-read it

For fucks sake dont encourage him.

[Ixion]

Has anyone actually MET these so-dreadful Born Again riders?

I have not.

I HAVE seen some very dubious riding by riders (usually on large crusiers) who, it appears on investigation have never held a class 6. And who will not submit to the indignity of being a learner again

That is quite a different thing to a returning rider.

Much is made of the "technological advances" of modern bikes, and how the despised Born Agains "can't control them".

What technical advances ?

If the Born Again is in his forties, he probably started riding in the era of the big two strokes RZ500 etc) or the early in line fours GS1000 and the like. (Assuming that then he was young and probably couldn't afford a new bike)

Now, they may not have been as fast as a GSXR1000 K8. But they were certainly fast enough to kill you down dead. And, in the case of the two smokers, a shit load harder to ride. 200 kph is 200kph , whatever the technology.


And the other technology advances, better brakes, better tyres, better handling - why should they CAUSE crashes? Surely they make the modern bike easier to ride than a thirty year old one , not harder .

So how come the rider who survied an RZ500 is so out his depth on a modern bike.

I don't believe it. All the returning riders I've encountered have had the sense to ease back slowly - usually on something like a 600.

Sure, there's bound to be the odd exception, there's alwasy a nutter. But I don't believe there is a BAB problem.

It's a Never Been a Rider problem.

[jrandom]

I see from another of your posting that you are in fact 30 years of age.

mister dangerous? Thirty?

Bahahahahahaha snort.

Finally, ladies and gentlemen, it would appear that we have located a KBer who ages even worse than I do.

[T.W.R]

So what? I/we stand back and watch our acc/regos go up higher than a high thing... have the cage comunity black list us with those that ride like fuck wits... watch friends get cleaned up by idiot riders that have no care in the world for any ones saftey?


Not me man, I dont mind comming across as a old grumpy bastard, as long as just one rider listenes and changes their behaivior acordingly

Yeah and good on you for doing so, but the target species of riders are always going to be there no matter what's said or offered to them, it's a percentile figure that increases with growth unfortunately.
You can talk to some people till you're blue in the face but they'll still go away and do those core things because it's engrained in them.

[1 Free Man]

my apologies MR. DANGEROUS it was "chester" who said he was in his thirties. I have been told you are in you forties so I can take it from that, that you are entering into the Mature years and you don't do silly shit on the road any more. Just think another 10 years and you can buy yourself a nice cruiser.

[dangerous]

my mate freddy was getting high at every stop, your all good dude, and ya give that duc shit!

man I hope you are taking the piss, if not then your 'mate' is one of societys bigest LOSERS, leave it at home.

[AD345]

Has anyone actually MET these so-dreadful Born Again riders?

I have not.

I'm one (a BAB).

Nice to meet ya

Jumped straight back in to motorcycling by buying a 1640cc cruiser after 19 years of not owning a bike. In the intervening years I didn't ride at all until last year when I rented a Harley on a couple of occasions.

There's a scary thought - no riding for nearly 20 years and I can ride straight out the door on a Harley that someone else owns (PLUS it was my first time on a Harley). I could feel random acts of carnage occuring me around as every kilometer unfolded.

The a year later I get the Kingpin - more power and useability (torque) again! I'm pretty sure several small villages were looted and pillaged the instant I turned the key.

Am I a risk on the road? Probably less so than I was 20 years ago on sprotsbikes - but I have my moments.

I understand the OP's point and can empathise with the feeling of venting via internet messageboard.

I don't think it's going to ACHIEVE very much but it can be bloody cathartic.

Now, in the short time that I've been riding again I've spoken to one other biker about the way he was riding - it risked my life. He took it pretty well and is better to ride with.

I guess my question is:

Who has actually spoken to someone about the way in which they ride? Not via the interweb or by yelling abuse - but just by simply pointing out your concern?

You know...

...like an adult.

[dangerous]

I agree with the general point that you are making but what makes you come to the conclusion that it is only two groups of riders that are at fault??I see from another of your posting that you are in fact 30 years of age. You have condemmed the young and in experienced. You have condemed the older and more stable mature riders. Your own age group is faultless. GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK. I have been on the road riding since march last year. I have clocked up 12,000kms in that time. I have had no near misses, no bins, no problems.
You could blame that on the VL that I ride because it's not a rocket by any means but it can still happily break the open road speed limit.
Call me an old cunt call me a Nana who gives a flying fuck but while your at it call me mature and level headed because that's what I blame my track record onNow MR. DANGEROUS and 30years old. Do you care to share with the KB community your blemish free track record.??Yor age group, according to you, is the IDEA age to be a rider. Your not young dumb and full of cum and your not an old cunt with money and a nice bike.
In my limited experience it's that very age group that have tried to blow my mirrors off with their flash passing manouvers. They are the ones that have passed me on blind corners with double yellow line and on coming traffic.
They are the ones that want, NO NEED to show the riding world that their penis is bigger than everyone elses. That their balls are beyond compare.
In closing my friend I would suggest that if you feel inclined to TAR the biking fraternity with stupidity We all can be idiots at times no denial of that young old and the in between.

HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaa..........

I dont mean to sound pretentious but...

Mate I am in my 40's
covered an excess of 400.000kms here and in OZ on the road
I have owned 1200cc and Turbos
I still cover 15,000km a summer on the road
I race BEARs, F4 and CAMs... last year alone I won the south Is cup and several other trophys
I have coached may riders that are now faster racers and or beter riders than me.
I have rideen over 100 bike rallys and in all this time non stop riding on the road since 1983 I HAVE seen it all...

SO DONT go spouting off about shit you have no idea about, you have just come across as a prize ...... which Im sure you are not.

Your 11 months and 12,000km's are a joke in comparision... but I am glad you are enjoying the riding and I hope no idiot on a bike takes you out like has become common these days.