Our own worst enemy

[dangerous]

Get off ur soapbox fool - u ain't got all the answers.

THATS RIGHT ya bloody noodle... I dont have the answers, hence the thread 'DUH'

[Katman]

Get off ur soapbox fool - u ain't got all the answers.

It's not about having all the answers.

It's about creating awareness and getting motorcyclists to think about the consequences of their actions.

Too many motorcyclists believe that their greatest danger exists from factors outside of their control. The greatest danger actually lies within the attitude that those same motorcyclists take out on to the road.

[Candle]

changing my tune a little bit as Ive just been cut of and forced onto the kerb by a stupid lady in her cage. it wouldn't have happened if i was weaving all over my lane and making myself seen.

not saying that i do that all the time but an going to start doing it more because that seams the be the only way they take notice that someones actually there

[dangerous]

changing my tune a little bit as Ive just been cut of and forced onto the kerb by a stupid lady in her cage. it wouldn't have happened if i was weaving all over my lane and making myself seen.

not saying that i do that all the time but an going to start doing it more because that seams the be the only way they take notice that someones actually there

Then you have a LOT to learn mate, good luck with your theory.

It's not about having all the answers.

It's about creating awareness and getting motorcyclists to think about the consequences of their actions.

Too many motorcyclists believe that their greatest danger exists from factors outside of their control. The greatest danger actually lies within the attitude that those same motorcyclists take out on to the road.

yus... would have to agree there.

[mikeey01]

Here we go again....
The Akaroa GP has nearly claimed another and up north has claimed another

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2332...de-near-Akaroa

Me thinks all this is leading to something and something tells me it could affect us all.

[rosie631]

There seems to be a few bad people in bike clubs these days, mainly on Harlies and Triumphs. I heared from a couple of riders in Otago that some members of the Ulysses club like to ride their bikes at around 180(on Harlies of all bikes ) and seem to act like maniacs at times. :

I have to say in defence of Harley riders that I have some friends who have ridden Harleys for years. They are good and safe riders and i would ride with them anywhere and anytime. I do agree though that there are maniacs too. Have been on one run where the average speed seemed to be 160. Just like everything tho, you can't generalise

[robboh]

Well, at the risk of getting verbally cut up and spat out...

Im almost certainly a soon-to-be born-again rider. Im mid-30's, and have been pondering a new bike for the couple of years. Hadnt ridden for 7-8 years, and find myself missing it more and more everytime I see a bike.

Nowadays I dont have to just consider myself, but other responsibilities I have as well, and those have been a big part of the decision process and whether its a sensible thing to do AND to what sort of bike would be a sensible starting point to get back into it.

I grew up on farm-bikes, and 250 smokers. And yes, when you look back to when you were 18-21, u definitely did some stuff you look back on as daft to the point of insanity.

On the other hand, I also learnt very early on that the race-track is the place to do that sort of stuff. Once you do it there, you realise the insanity of doing it on the road. Some of my mates at the time always seemed to be ending up in the side of cars. While I had a few semi-close calls, I never seemed to have the regularity of close calls that they seemed to. Ive kept with this approach, even in the cage, and do clubsport level motor-racing with a car club. A good cobweb clearing session on a track or a hillclimb is far more satisfying and far safer than doing it on the road.

Between participating in other risky activities, a non-road-related back injury that could have easily killed me, a loss of license in the cage a few years back (due to 3 silly 61kph type speeding tickets), and various other things, Ive certainly come to appreciate my own mortality somewhat more, and also the fact that I dont like walking.

That, coupled with the greatly increased traffic volumes AND the overall lower skill level of those drivers, I dont drive fast on the road these days, and on the bike Im certainly going to be taking things very easy and try and keep my hooligan tendencies in check.

Im also considering 'going back to school' for a refresher riding course of some description. Though, thats gonna look kinda weird when I turn up on the 600 sports bike Im considering.

At the end of the day, the bikes these days are rockets. You need to learn to go fast again slowly AND do it in the right circumstances. When it comes to the road, to me, the biggest thing is SURVIVING it while you get to the track. At the end of the day, they only go as fast as you twist your wrist!!

Having said all that, maybe I dont drive the right roads, but the vast majority of bikes I see on the road tend to ride courteously and sensibly. Its usually the idiots in the big V8's (or the slow twits in the SUV's) that Im shaking my head at, not the bikes.

[fuknKIWI]

I'd like to see Carver wearing his heart on his sleeve like this guy
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...keaccident.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...eaccident1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...eaccident2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...eaccident3.jpg

[rosie631]

OMG. Wish I hadn't looked now.

[Laxi]

there goes diner

[idb]

And if people get too proactive shit still compounds but now you're living in a police state.

While I do take your point I don't want my personal freedoms destroyed by people going after a percieved problem that's nothing more than people being human. There will always be fucktards that take things too far. Personally, I'm willing to accept this and look after my own safety as much as I can. It's the price we pay for the priviledge of governing our own destiny. Read my sig.

There is no easy answer.

I agree, I get pissed off when any state response to wankers inconveniences me.

Unfortunately, if the sentiments expressed in this thread are those generally felt in the community then I'm afraid that there are going to be more laws and enforcement to rein us all in, so the nett effect will be that which you are wanting to avoid.
All because of the idiots.

So, if you don't want your "personal freedoms" affected maybe we do need to be active in kicking plonkers up the arse.

[Mikkel]

I'd like to see Carver wearing his heart on his sleeve like this guy
WARNING Graphic as...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...keaccident.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...eaccident1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...eaccident2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...eaccident3.jpg

How did he manage that? A story to go with the pictures?

[fuknKIWI]

How did he manage that? A story to go with the pictures?

My guess he overused the throttle, 280 k's apparently
No story but a picture is worth a 1000 words looks like Oz somewhere, 2 different types of footwear dates back to at least 2004
Another suicide jockey making Oz a better place

[peasea]

OMG. Wish I hadn't looked now.

I bet you say that to all the boys.

[swbarnett]

All because of the idiots.

So, if you don't want your "personal freedoms" affected maybe we do need to be active in kicking plonkers up the arse.

The problem is not the "idiots" on bikes. They will always exist and there is absolutely nothing that can be done to stop them.

The problem is the idiots that have deluded themselves into thinking they can turn normal humans into automotons. While there are people like this making the decisions we are screwed. No amount of "cleaning up our act" is going to help. No matter how "clean" our act is there will still be those making laws that don't think it's clean enough. After all, there are those that would like nothing better than to remove every last bike from existance.

People of a certain personality type are ruled by fear. These people are, unfortunately, very good at getting into power. Simply because they crave control above all else and can't stand to see anyone take the slightest risk. They are hell bent on wrapping us all up in cotton wool.

I don't want to live in a world where taking a risk of any sort is expressly forbidden. Or where anyone taking even a small risk is labelled as reckless. Life without risk just isn't worth living. Afterall, a "Challenge" is just a risk in polite language.




(Check this out for a deeper take on the "life without risk" angle http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=50917)