New boy racer legislation

[nodrog:Me]

Sorry chap, the laws you quote all are dependent on identifying the individual who broke the law. .................................

Trying to control a mob with the laws that exist today is impossible........................................ ... but what we have today just doesn't even start to solve this problem.

.... Right now there is a law pertaining to illegal gatherings and/or gathering for the purposes of committing a criminal act. Use that one.

so what is this new law you require?

[Lonebull]

Bullshit.

If 300 bikers mobbed and shot at a police officer, we'd deserve to get this legislation on us.

The boy racer problem is way out of control - most Fridays and Saturdays the boy racers use my road as a fucking race track - I've lost count of the amount of times they've crashed on my corner. Most of the time they're drunk. I've stopped bothering to go help, if they bleed to death, it's their problem.

This doesn't affect us, or concern us.

I agree, there is just no excuse for the behaviour these idiots exhibit. I've spun the odd donut in my time (long time ago) but I'm pretty sure I knew where to draw the line. These guys are now in the same league as English football hooligans. They can't handle their booze and have no respect for themselves or anyone else. I don't have any sympathy for these dickheads and I hope the car crusher arrives soon I also can't understand why horsepower limits are not imposed on learner drivers.


What seems like an eternity under the politically correct brigade has made me cynical about any New Zealand governments ability to cut through the red tape and actually do something. National may be a little different than Uncle Helens mob but I still have doubts these guys can find a crusher let alone get it on site and find the start button.

Still not convinced that the proposed legislation changes won't affect us all though. I will ponder on that a little longer.

[Scouse]

Another thing about the proposed illegal gathering law, suppose that your kids are at a party doing nothing wrong, but there are some dick heads elements there as well, all of a sudden the dick heads erupt and the cops are called. Now because it is now the easiest way to deal with a large gathering the new boy racer illegal gathering laws are enacted, which basically means that all the good innocent kids at the party cannot go to another party for 12 months for fear of dick heads making trouble, with the risk of your kids being caught up in another illegal gathering situation, and then being labled as criminals.

[Ixion]

Bullshit.

If 300 bikers mobbed and shot at a police officer, we'd deserve to get this legislation on us.

The boy racer problem is way out of control - most Fridays and Saturdays the boy racers use my road as a fucking race track - I've lost count of the amount of times they've crashed on my corner. Most of the time they're drunk. I've stopped bothering to go help, if they bleed to death, it's their problem.

This doesn't affect us, or concern us.

I beg to differ . It will concern us and affect us.

There is absolutely no difference between the abhorred boi-racers and the ATNR or a Ulysses ride. We may not deserve the 'get the legislation on us' but once passed it WILL apply to us and WILL be used against us.

There are certainly plenty of locals who would be happy to come forward and tell the cops that they have been alarmed and distressed by "Bikies using their road as a fucking race track"

Not to mention the Coro loop. Want to be that no-one along that route gets pissed off by all the bikes. And the Akaroa GP is already in the sights.

Tell me one reason why the proposed legislation would not be used to ban bikes from Coro and Akaroa?

[The Pastor]

i beg to differ . It will concern us and affect us.

There is absolutely no difference between the abhorred boi-racers and the atnr or a ulysses ride. We may deserve the 'get the legislation on us' but once passed it will apply to us and will be used against us.

There are certainly plenty of locals who would be happy to come forward and tell the cops that they have been alarmed and distressed by "bikies using their road as a fucking race track"

not to mention the coro loop. Want to be that no-one along that route gets pissed off by all the bikes. And the akaroa gp is already in the sights.

Tell me one reason why the proposed legislation would not be used to ban bikes from coro and akaroa?

not my precious coro loop! Please no!

[Max Preload]

Talk about a rigged poll!

[rastuscat]

So what you want is a law that means you don't have to identify the culprit. Sounds fair.

Nope. I'm keen to have a law that prevents the situation. Like a Cease and Desist Order. That's better than waiting for it to happen then trying to identify the culprits.

People bang on about being the fence at the top of the cliff rather than the ambulance at the bottom. The Cease and Desist Order is a fence at the top of the cliff.

[Scouse]

People bang on about being the fence at the top of the cliff rather than the ambulance at the bottom. The Cease and Desist Order is a fence at the top of the cliff.

Nope the Cease and desist order is the thin end of the wedge that will find itself used everywere that there is a gathering of people.

[Tony]

Talk about a rigged poll!

Is it possible to add another option now that it's started?
Max do you have a suggested option you would like me to try and add?

[Tony]

People bang on about being the fence at the top of the cliff rather than the ambulance at the bottom. The Cease and Desist Order is a fence at the top of the cliff.

Nope the Cease and Desist order is at still at the bottom of the cliff. Correct me if I am wrong you can only issue a Cease and Desist order once someone has been involved in an 'illegal' gathering.

The ultimate solution is to stop putting members of the public and police in situations where they have to try and deal with out of control mobs.

If you take the 'racers' away from the 'boy racers' all you have is 'boys'. Or better still use the 'Tony' restrictions to stop them buying and driving them in the first place.

Now that's a fence closer to the top of the cliff.

When I was 16 (soooo many years ago) I had a very highly modified Ford Escort and I also got to drive my grannys Daihatsu Charade when my Escort was off the road getting further work done on it.

In the Escort I was the terror of the neighbourhood - just lucky I didn't kill anyone. My parents would have been very happy to have crushed it themselves if they were allowed to.

In the Charade I was a lamb - It's just wasn't possible to impress anyone (incluing yourself) in a standard 900 cc shopping basket.

After a few years I matured (a little) and discovered the best place to hoon was on the track. I discovered saloon car racing and karting. I also discovered how much I didn't know and actually learnt to drive while having a ball competing against other boy and dad racers in the right environment.

The reason I am hot on the 'Tony' restrictions in the original post is I see a truly workable solution that I believe will solve the vast majority of the problem.

[nodrog:Me]

Nope the Cease and Desist order is at still at the bottom of the cliff. Correct me if I am wrong you can only issue a Cease and Desist order once someone has been involved in an 'illegal' gathering.

The ultimate solution is to stop putting members of the public and police in situations where they have to try and deal with out of control mobs.

If you take the 'racers' away from the 'boy racers' all you have is 'boys'. Or better still use the 'Tony' restrictions to stop them buying and driving them in the first place.

Now that's a fence closer to the top of the cliff.

When I was 16 (soooo many years ago) I had a very highly modified Ford Escort and I also got to drive my grannys Daihatsu Charade when my Escort was off the road getting further work done on it.

In the escort I was the terror of the neighbourhood - just lucky I didn't kill anyone.

In the Charade I was a lamb - It's just wasn't possible to impress anyone (incluing yourself) in a standard 900 cc shopping basket.

After a few years I matured (a little) discovered the best place to hoon was on the track and I discovered saloon car racing and karting. I also discovered how much I didn't know and actually learnt to drive while having a ball competing against other boy and dad racers in the right environment.

The reason I am hot on this subject is I see a truly workable solution that I believe will solve the vast majority of the problem.

fuck that bullshit, so you want to tell people what they can and cant drive? awesome, tar everybody with the same brush! all that will do is move the trend from "boy racers" into "men racers", as they will older before the discover the power of the "donut"

edit. i had 800cc of raw power when was at school, it was more dangerous than my 351ci falcon, the dodgy manouvers i had to pull to beat the school bus, no power to pass on a straight but i would smoke it through the downhill blind corner section. the girls on the bus were well impressed.

[Max Preload]

Max do you have a suggested option you would like me to try and add?

Yep. Police should use enforce the laws that already exist.

Nope the Cease and desist order is the thin end of the wedge that will find itself used everywere that there is a gathering of people.

Indeed. It'll be used to further bully and intimidate citizens who don't conform to a particular officer's narrow definition of how people should behave.

[Swoop]

Surely after 9 years of Liarbour and all the various laws that they introduced, the problem has been solved.

[Marmoot]

People bang on about being the fence at the top of the cliff rather than the ambulance at the bottom. The Cease and Desist Order is a fence at the top of the cliff.

The Cease and Desist order is the ambulance across the road at the top of the cliff. Everyone will bang on to it not knowing what went wrong.

Give the police even greater power while we are bordering on a police state, and you can kiss your common sense and free choices good bye.

Now, on the boyracer issue, where are their parents and what responsibility should be assigned to them? Afterall, they're the one bringing these little rascals into this world?

[Tony]

Yep. Police should use enforce the laws that already exist.

Max do you or any of the moderators know how I can add your option to the poll?

It should be one of the options on the poll. I don't seem to have the necessary rights to modify the poll I started.