A serious question for the more experienced riders amongst you.

[Tone165]

I did not read right thru so sorry if Im repeating.

I do not think a litre bike, of any type, is suitable for an inexperienced rider or learner..and we are all learners till we die.....

This is one area where women have it all over guys...they don't need to go straight to the biggest bike they can afford, andf usually progress from 250 to 400 to 750 etc...

Size does not matter and my advice is take your time, get good at handling a bike before you get anything too powerful.

Another really relevant factor esp for you youngsters...INSURANCE!!!

There is a massive difference between the premium for a 650 and a Busa, and probably still a diff between a Busa and GiXeRthou.

I have been riding since 71. Never owned a >1000cc till 90's. Now I have a Busa, (188hp)a 1000cc Tourer (99hp) and a GSX650F (hp unknown)

I saw some Harleys on the Dyno...they seem to run mid 70's hp

I have been getting around on an SV650 lately and would recommend that as an excellent step up, light, torque a plenty, and lots of fun to ride.

[The Stranger:Me]

I do not think a litre bike, of any type, is suitable for an inexperienced rider or learner..and we are all learners till we die.....

This is one area where women have it all over guys...they don't need to go straight to the biggest bike they can afford, andf usually progress from 250 to 400 to 750 etc...

Yet a certain young woman rode her own Hayabusa for the last 6 months of her learners - and is alive and well today.
The biggest difference is women can genreally control their right hands better than men.

[Brett]

Reading some of the posts here, I think a distinction needs to be made... some of you are talking about large capacity bikes FROM THE 70'S 80'S and 90's.
Let us not forget that a new 600 supersport puts out as much power/more power than most (nearly all) 1000cc bikes 10 years ago and they are lighter.

600's are great machines, more poke than you need on a road and many tracks. the ONLY time I have found my gsxr 600 to be lacking in power is on Pukekohe. Taupo, I reckon a 600 is the ideal machine. Hence the reason that I haven't gone and traded in on a 1000cc sports bike yet. That said, took the gsxr 750 out for a spin and was blown away with it, power jump wasn't huge, but the handling side was amazing. Much more ridable than say, the past few years zx10r's have been.

[Bladeslapper109]

ok im no experienced rider but this time last week I was in the same position as you. - also didnt read right through all posts

I was on a restricted license and riding an old gsx600f - 230 kg and only about 70 hp. good step from a 250.

I sat my license last week to buy a Fireblade.

Before I bought it I was a bit afraid(scared) if it was too much power to step up from the old technology 600 but when i jumped on it, it was a pretty placid bike. it only goes as hard as you let it. I expected to give it throttle and it took off like a rocket but you really need to keep the revs high to get into danger.

Basically if your a decent rider for your experience level then stepping up to a thou is fine from a 600 but I certainly wouldnt do it from a 250.

Question for experienced riders or people who know a bit about fireblades.

Like I said im not an experienced rider but I am reasonably skilled for my experience level.

I can get up on the back wheel in first under throttle and much easier clutching it up but I expected a thou to get up under throttle in second. I only weigh 75kg

I want to get up at 100k and there seems not nearly enough power.

Are these bikes detuned or something or does this sound normal.
Doesnt take a lot of skill to roll on throttle to get the front in the air i thought.
Bike should have about 155hp at the fly

I riden with other bikes that have jacked it up at 100.
Also the slipper clutch seems to be a pain when the clutch is warm.
Is this bad for my bike clutching it up in first.

Im prob guna cop a bit of shit for this but i love wheel stands.

Any advice info much appreciated.

[Bladeslapper109]

Also insurance isnt that bad.

Im under 25 with a fireblade and only paying $700

[Brett]

Also insurance isnt that bad.

Im under 25 with a fireblade and only paying $700

Your wheelie question, the blade, as with most new modern 600cc + bikes limit the power in the first few gears with secondary butterflys in the throttle body. I.e... they only let u really open up when it is 'safe' for the rider to do so. Get these de-restricted and you will have more power available from much earlier.

Also, an 05 Blade WILL power lift in second, and probable 3rd if you tried, try putting your weigh back in the saddle, and snatching the throttle when in the torque range (maybe even help by lifting the bars a little ) and it should come up all happy as larry.

[Bladeslapper109]

how do you delete double posts

[Bladeslapper109]

Your wheelie question, the blade, as with most new modern 600cc + bikes limit the power in the first few gears with secondary butterflys in the throttle body. I.e... they only let u really open up when it is 'safe' for the rider to do so. Get these de-restricted and you will have more power available from much earlier.

Also, an 05 Blade WILL power lift in second, and probable 3rd if you tried, try putting your weigh back in the saddle, and snatching the throttle when in the torque range (maybe even help by lifting the bars a little ) and it should come up all happy as larry.

Yea i have done these few things. I have done a lot of wheelies on dirt bikes so have the gist of it. Weight back and tried all tourque rev ranges but by the time im in peak tourque range its all ready over 100 in second and really doesnt have enough grunt.

In first it wont power lift untill about 9 or 10 grand at a guess.
And thats still pretty quick. so no early power

Also it seems very economical. got 230 kms off 14.8 liters
Pretty carm riding thou but still giving it a bit every now and then

How do you derestrict it??
And how common are slipper clutches, whats the point of these.

[90s]

I have been riding since 71.

Good one you for getting into biking after retirement. Life in the old dog yet.

I was on a restricted license and riding an old gsx600f - 230 kg and only about 70 hp. good step from a 250.

Can't let this go ... try 210kgs and 80hp+ ... sorry, felt me manhood challenged there ...

ok im no experienced rider ... I want to get up at 100k and there seems not nearly enough power ... Im prob guna cop a bit of shit for this but i love wheel stands.

Ho hum. I guess this is why there are lot of discussion on maturity in this thread ...

[Brett]

Yea i have done these few things. I have done a lot of wheelies on dirt bikes so have the gist of it. Weight back and tried all tourque rev ranges but by the time im in peak tourque range its all ready over 100 in second and really doesnt have enough grunt.

In first it wont power lift untill about 9 or 10 grand at a guess.
And thats still pretty quick. so no early power

Also it seems very economical. got 230 kms off 14.8 liters
Pretty carm riding thou but still giving it a bit every now and then

How do you derestrict it??
And how common are slipper clutches, whats the point of these.

Are you just waiting for the front to lift while under acceleration? If so, then this wont work. Modern bikes are designed to deliver the acceleration without the front lifting. I ride a 2005 GSXR 600, and in first gear I can lift the front wheel up to balance point easily at about 7 -8k rpm by simply snapping on the throttle (not rolling it on).
Yes, to do power wheelies (not clutched) you end up doing pretty quick speeds. Over 100KPH easy if you dont get it up to balance point quick smart. Hence some people prefer to clutch. Personally, I feel that clutching is hard on the clutch and drivertrain.

Fuel economy sounds right, 1000cc bikes are more fuel efficient than the 600's are because they are less 'revvy'.

De-restricting, I have personally never done. however a few of my mates have. Do a google search for more info. Basically, my understanding is that you will have the throttle body set up so that both butterfly's open uniformly so that the engine can deliver more power earlier. Have a word to someone like Botany Honda or such, or ask the question of the boys in the racing sub-section of these forums...it will be a standard mod for them.

Slipper clutches are designed to minimise loss of traction of the rear wheel under high engine loads such as down shifting. Ever had that feeling where you are breaking hard and you shift down a gear or a gear too many and the rear wheel locks and the swing arm starts bouncing? This is primarily what A slipper clutch is designed to eliminate. It 'slips' the clutch while it engages the flywheel.

[buddieb ktm master]

a honda cb400 restricted to33bhp to the superduke,and i am still here,just spend a bit of time getting used to it and all will be fine!!

[morayfm]

It's all about attitude and not doing anything stupid really. Before I got back into riding after more than 30 years, I used to ride a RD250. Then last year when the price of petrol kept going up I decided to buy a scooter to commute. After talking to lots of scooter riders I was convinced that the Vespa 250 would handle my 42km each way commute (including 10km motorway) - WRONG. Whilst the power was OK, it was just far too light to handle the wind and trucks on the motorway. But what it did do was remind me of how much fun it is to be on a bike. So I decided to go all out and bought the ST1300 and have no regrets. I've done over 3000kms on it now with no problems but I respect the bike and do not ride it beyond my abilities. One interesting thing - it's actually easier to filter on the motorway when the traffic is stationary (like last week when the truck flipped) than it is on the Vespa. Even though it is a much bigger bike, the mirrors are much lower than the Vespa's and in really small gaps they "fit" under the mirrors on the cages. The Vespa's mirrors are really wide and high. I'm still learning about the bike and what both it and I can do when riding but as I said the important thing is to be bloody careful and don't ride above your experience level.

[Gremlin]

It sounds obvious to me, but I should probably point it out for bladeslapper... I hope you aren't trying to do power wheelies from first on a thou... not recommended. If you want to do power wheelies, start in 2nd, probably around 100kph ish should do, shut, snap open, should get the weight shifting around nicely, and up she will come.

Brett... you just need a nice euro brand bike. It gets plugged into the computers, new fuel map into the oem ecu, and it de-restricts the first 3 gears. Now, you'd have to be an idiot not to get it up to balance point... pity 1st is a bit short compared to sportsbikes...

[Bladeslapper109]

Good one you for getting into biking after retirement. Life in the old dog yet.



Can't let this go ... try 210kgs and 80hp+ ... sorry, felt me manhood challenged there ...



Ho hum. I guess this is why there are lot of discussion on maturity in this thread ...

80hp at the fly 21 years ago.. lol

[Bladeslapper109]

It sounds obvious to me, but I should probably point it out for bladeslapper... I hope you aren't trying to do power wheelies from first on a thou... not recommended. If you want to do power wheelies, start in 2nd, probably around 100kph ish should do, shut, snap open, should get the weight shifting around nicely, and up she will come.

Brett... you just need a nice euro brand bike. It gets plugged into the computers, new fuel map into the oem ecu, and it de-restricts the first 3 gears. Now, you'd have to be an idiot not to get it up to balance point... pity 1st is a bit short compared to sportsbikes...

Na I have tried everything in 2nd snapping full open and it wont pull.
Anyone actually have a cbr 1000 rr fireblade here?