Give Way rule

[YAMASAKI]

I stand by this statement. I can find no reference in the relevant regulations to limit lines being used without appropriate signage having any significance. That is to say, limit lines supplement signage, but alone they signify nothing.

I agree with you there, I read that it actually was a signposted(or road written) give way, not just limit lines.

[Ixion]

My understanding is that the line shows where you should stop, whether that stop be as a result of signs or of the right hand rule. It is intended to overcome the person who fails to give way, then stops half way across the intersecting road "But I *did* stop". Or the one who stops several car lengths down the road from the intersection so no-one is sure if he is intending to emerge or not.

The lines do not in themselves override the give way priorities.

[vgcspares]

I suppose it's too frickin obvious to say the law needs changing to something akin to every other country's ?

when they do I'm going to take a themos and deck chair to the nearest large intersection and watch the fun ... be a bit like Nigeria where they changed from driving on the left to the right in stages :

trucks one day and everything else the next

[Skyryder]

If the public have 'right' of access with a vehicle then that access,entrance, driveway etc it is considered a road.

I do not think that this applies to private dwellings and your access to your property. For example you can not expect the give way rule to apply as you exit your driveway.


Skyryder

[Skyryder]

My understanding is that the line shows where you should stop, whether that stop be as a result of signs or of the right hand rule. It is intended to overcome the person who fails to give way, then stops half way across the intersecting road "But I *did* stop". Or the one who stops several car lengths down the road from the intersection so no-one is sure if he is intending to emerge or not.

The lines do not in themselves override the give way priorities.

On both a Give Way and a Comp. Stop intersection a judge ruled many years back the the line was indicitive only. Providing you could see clearly both ways from behind the line and you had stopped this was deemed as complying with the stop or give way sign.

I knew a guy who had stopped one car length behind the vehicle and could see clearly both ways. The cop, and this was before the merger, booked him for failing to stop. The judge dismissed the case. He always carried the newspaper clipping with him and he showed it to me.

Not too sure if that would work today but it did once.

Skyryder

[Starky307]

If the public have 'right' of access with a vehicle then that access,entrance, driveway etc it is considered a road.

I do not think that this applies to private dwellings and your access to your property. For example you can not expect the give way rule to apply as you exit your driveway.


Skyryder

From what I understand and have been told it applies to any area that is not controlled by gates or fencing. I was recently told this while sitting my Forklift endorsement as we had to do the practical test in a car park that had the gate closed so that we were no longer part of the road system and the road rules would not apply, hence an unlicensed person could sit the test in that area.

[davebullet]

The funny thing is... how much money does LTSA put into TV ads to educate people about correct give way rules?

Nothing requires me to keep up to date and prove I have a knowledge of the roadcode (apart from an infringement).

Personally, I'd prefer to see theory resitting every 5 years (as long as the fee was reasonable). I'm sure this would translate into better traffic flow, better feedback to improve the laws, less accidents, lower insurance premiums etc.. etc...

LTSA is happy to show a man spinning a wheel of fortune to guess whether the car smashes and people die... what about something useful to educate the road code?

[Badjelly]

If the public have 'right' of access with a vehicle then that access,entrance, driveway etc it is considered a road.

According to the Road Code the priority rules apply at intersections

What is an intersection?

An intersection is where:

* two or more streets or roads join or cross
* a public entrance or exit joins a street or road.

Intersections include entrances and exits to and from supermarkets, petrol stations and other public parking areas such as airports and hospitals.

So the public entrance or exit doesn't have to be a road for the rules to apply, it just has to intersect with a road.

You might think the Road Code, of all documents, would tell you what a road is, but if it does, I couldn't find it.

[Badjelly]

You might think the Road Code, of all documents, would tell you what a road is, but if it does, I couldn't find it.

I wasn't looking very hard. It's in the Keeping Left section:

What is a road?

The legal definition of a road is very broad. It includes not only streets and highways, but also any place the public has access to – including bridges, beaches, riverbeds, car parks, reserve lands, wharves and road shoulders.

Because of this, you should apply road rules at all times when you're driving, even when you aren't on a public road.

[yachtie10]

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Originally Posted by Max Preload View Post
I stand by this statement. I can find no reference in the relevant regulations to limit lines being used without appropriate signage having any significance. That is to say, limit lines supplement signage, but alone they signify nothing.

I disagree

My understanding is that the signs are irrelevant it is the lines on the Road that count. this makes sense as the signs can be knocked down or vandalised but that does not change there effectiveness.
The lines I refer to are the double white (give way) or double yellow (stop) lines as you approach and intersection.

This thread has highlighted a major issue that a lot of people dont understand the road rules. I blame lack of education. This however does not stop us from reading up or checking up a rule we are not sure of.

I also think giving way when you have the right of way is contributing to the problem. I believe in driving defensivly, but the rules dont work if everybody ignores them.
Have a nice day

[Max Preload]

I disagree.

My understanding is that the signs are irrelevant it is the lines on the road that count. This makes sense as the signs can be knocked down or vandalised but that does not change there effectiveness.
The lines I refer to are the double white (give way) or double yellow (stop) lines as you approach and intersection.

Having been involved in road marking on a technical level, I strongly disagree with your 'understanding' .

Although I did have to look it up on the relevant regulations to confirm it, I am now certain that the limit lines are meaningless on their own as in order to define a intersection control a road controlling authority MUST erect and maintain signs of the correct specification as noted in the schedule. There is no provison in the Land Transport Rule - Traffic Control Devices 2004 - Rule 54002 for the control of intersections using solely road markings - signage is compulsory.

[Badjelly]

My understanding is that the signs are irrelevant it is the lines on the Road that count...

This thread has highlighted a major issue that a lot of people don't understand the road rules...

Er yes.

[pixc]

Thank-you everyone for the input to this thread. I'm really very disappointed in myself for making this mistake. As I have mentioned earlier, I have not ever been involved in an incident of any sort because of my misinterpretation of the road rules. No one has given me the finger, had to take evasive action etc. Lucky me..and them etc.

I will now endeavor to win lotto and hire a chauffeur to drive me about in my DeLorean. One that knows the rules

Damn. Thats rattled me a tad.

This seems to be common and yet I passed through the licensing system deluded and still got fully licensed. Its obviously not just me that has got it wrong. I best just get learnin' and stop yabberin'

[Max Preload]

The funny thing is... how much money does LTSA put into TV ads to educate people about correct give way rules?

Ummmmm, none? They're operating in 'ambulance at the bottom of the cliff' mode. Rather than preventing crashes in the first place by educating road users of the rules, they focus on speed to limit damage caused by road users who don't know the rules and don't much care to..

I have not ever been involved in an incident of any sort because of my misinterpretation of the road rules. No one has given me the finger, had to take evasive action etc. Lucky me..and them etc.

That's because almost nobody else knows them either!

[Monty69]

Wow excellent topic, just about everyday driving/riding around i see people who obviously dont understand or dont know that if they are turning right into, say a supermarket carpark, they must giveway to any vehicle turning right out of the carpark (unless it has a giveway/stop sign at the exit). Same at any uncontrolled intersection