Would you ride with coppers?

**mister.koz** · 27th February 2009, 09:14

Its a hard one but i gotta agree with most of the responses in here.

I take my riding and speed as it is, if i get a ticket then i get a ticket. An off duty cop is no different... shit, you don't see me writing software and training staff on my weekend rides.

If the cop was riding around well above the speed limit with other riders and then pulled out his ticket book

then it would be hypocrisy.

**The Stranger:Me** · 27th February 2009, 09:32

Originally Posted by MSTRS

"I was only following orders" ??

Different thing. I said "don't fully believe in", as in I don't fully believe in the occupational health and safety in employment act and the way it is implemented, yet was responsible for it's implementation in the early days with the NZMBA. I still did the job and did it to the best of my ability.
I was only following orders.
You will note that I didn't say "really don't agree with".

Sorry if anyone has trouble with the distinction, all I can say is you guys really must live utopian lives.

**The Stranger:Me** · 27th February 2009, 09:39

Originally Posted by vifferman

I've NEVER had a warning. I've had occasions where I could've been pulled over and wasn't (years ago - before the quota nonsense), but every time I have been pulled over I've been ticketed.

Ditto.
The one that really pissed me off was a ticket for 93kph when I was towing a trailer on the open road. Everything else was legit, tow wagon up to the task etc. No lip or nothing and an honest mistake on my part.
Still, I did enjoy the rest of the trip below the speed limit, though I am not so sure the following cars did on a busy holiday weekend.

**The Stranger:Me** · 27th February 2009, 09:53

Originally Posted by Katman

Hypocrisy? Of course it's hypocrisy.

Personally I find it hypocritical to hold others to a higher standard than I set for myself. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

**vifferman** · 27th February 2009, 09:55

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

Ironic innit - I've only had tickets in the car - by 4 wheels coppers. Only ever had warnings on 2 wheels... by 2 wheeled coppers.

I was the opposite - up until last week I'd never had a ticket in the car.

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

End of the day if I do soemthing wrong then I take it on the chin... no probs there.

I've deserved every ticket I've had - no beef there. But getting points and a fine didn't make any more difference to my attitude than being pulled over and being told off would have, except to piss me off, and make me more vigilant for cops, as I don't want to lose my licence.

**Big Dave** · 27th February 2009, 10:03

I'll have two flats and a packet of gravel.

**ceebie13** · 27th February 2009, 10:27

One of my neighbours is a cop. He too has a bike. Most Thursdays he pops round for a coffee and we have a chinwag - not necessarily about bikes all the time - but a good yarn or two. He's not a traffic cop though. I think he's a bit embarrassed to come out for a ride with me... he's 6ft 4 and very fit...but he rides a GN250. Bless.

**Katman** · 27th February 2009, 10:31

Originally Posted by The Stranger

Personally I find it hypocritical to hold others to a higher standard than I set for myself.

Exactly.

Hence why it is hypocritical for a police officer to issue a ticket for 111 kph if they make a habit of doing likewise.

**MsKABC** · 27th February 2009, 10:32

My personal land-speed record was set several years ago on the back of a gixxer with a cop

He used to register his car & bike to the local cop shop P O Box # so it didn't matter if he knew a cop when pulled over - when the rego was run the cop would recognise the address. That might be a load of shite, I dunno, but it's what he told me.

Cops are human just like the rest of us, and some are hypocritical too - just like the rest of us. Many people become cops for the testosterone factor, so it follows that they like a bit of speed.

**The Stranger:Me** · 27th February 2009, 10:47

Originally Posted by Katman

Exactly.

Hence why it is hypocritical for a police officer to issue a ticket for 111 kph if they make a habit of doing likewise.

No.
I was referring to personal standards.
There is no personal conflict in that. As I said, it's like a parking warden issuing a ticket for exceeding a time limit. They need not hold a personal belief in the import of strict parking times to issue a ticket for that.
Indeed it would be somewhat of a worry if they did.

**Tank** · 27th February 2009, 11:05

I think its hypocritical for anyone who has ever exceed the speed limit to pass judgement on others for doing so regardless of their position / job.

I think it ignorant and feeble that people can pass judgements on the integrity / morals of a person over something that makes up only a very small part of their job, especially when most of us wouldn't have the fortitude to do their job ourselves.

There are things I do personally that I wouldnt do at work and indeed that I would discipline at work for doing.

A good KB example. How many professional managers here would allow staff to look at objectionable material on the Internet? Not many I assume. We have fired people for doing it.

Yet at home (when I'm not working) - Im happy to click on attachments marked "R".

And I'm sure many of you are the same.

**madbikeboy** · 27th February 2009, 11:15

Originally Posted by DangerousBastard

Nope, thats spot on. Young-uns need to get this.

It amazes me to hear do-gooders complain about how everyone else is allowed be naughty, while they have to behave all the time.

I have discovered "morals" are more about what other people want me to do so they don't feel threatened, or so that they get a better deal than me. Fuck that. "Morals" is about not hurting peoples feelings when they love me. Lots of people do love me, and I should show some care with that, but for the rest of the population - I'm sorry but I'm going to beat you to that gap in the traffic, and I'm going to compete with you for that job, and I'm going to out-bid you on that auction, and thats the way the world goes around.

Steve

A kinky catholic girl I used to "date" described morals as being "morals are the things that stop you from having loud sex when your parents or a priest can hear you". We interpreted that very carefully, and as such we had sex at her parents house (quietly), but we never made it as far as church. Although she did get really steamed up telling her priest about her sins for that week, and she'd stop via my place for a bit of release.

I liked her morals... LOL!

**Patrick** · 27th February 2009, 11:17

Originally Posted by nadroj

Just carry a six pack in your backpack!

So that is why I always follow ya.... Should have known....

**madbikeboy** · 27th February 2009, 11:20

Originally Posted by MsKABC

My personal land-speed record was set several years ago on the back of a gixxer with a cop

You know, on reflection, most of the meaningful experiences in my life that I shake my head at, involved either a chick, or a Gixer...

Viff, I have normally gotten off with whatever stupidity I have displayed with motorcycle cops, but the ones in the white cars with sign writing and disco lights seem to take a dim view of the most simple indescretion... But, most of them are okay, and I wouldn't do their job for any amount of money, let alone the pittance that they make. The only retards that I've met have had Ginger hair, or been a Team Policing riot squad member, (chosen for size, not size of intellect).