Moral dilemma -advice please

[FROSTY:Me]

A youngish chap wanders into the shop looking at bikes. We have a bit of a yarn and he's got a learners licence. Ok conversation carrys on and I show him a couple of 250's . Things progress in a promising manner so away we go on a test ride. Clearly this chap is on a licence to learn. His ride skills are basicly non existent.
Back to the shop and we yarn some more and the young chap hauls a wad of cash out of pocket. "Yep I want that one" pointing to a much bigger more powerfull bike.

Heres the dillema.
How do I tell him he can't have the bike in a way thats gonna keep him happy? Or at least not pissed off with us?
Him buying that bike off me is not an option but I just can't figure out how to sugar the pill. Ive already told him about licence requirements etc.

What I really wanna say is "Go away, learn to ride propperly then come back for a grunty bike if you are still keen"

[Devil]

Be straight up, but not quite so frosty blunt heh.

You need to say that you cannot, as a responsible human, sell him that bike.

[riffer]

Tell him the Dealers Code of Conduct forbids you from selling vehicles to people who don't have the licence for them.

[sunhuntin]

so him youtube videos of young [and not so young] americans who think they can handle huge bikes after unwrapping their shiny new license.

alternately, guilt him by saying that your business would get in the shit for selling a big bike to a learner [honestly, if theres not, there should be a law preventing the sale of such bikes to learner riders]

[MsKABC]

Tell him the Dealers Code of Conduct forbids you from selling vehicles to people who don't have the licence for them.

Yeah, tell him you'll get in big trouble if you sell him that bike.

[Scouse]

Tell him you will only sell him that bike if he gives you a blowjob with a full swallow.

[Mystic13]

How big's the other bike? And what type.

So if he comes back and a full licence rider takes it away then you're okay.

Include some lessons in the sale price and give him some time in the weekend. How long does his learners have to go. We all know that the licensing system is up the creek. Most kids go and sit the theory test / practical cert. and then do no driving till just before (weeks before) they have to do the test.

It seems like he wants to ride and be involved with bikes and you being the friendly helpful biker that you are can probably get him going on bikes in a safe way. The alternative is he'll go elsewhere and get the bike and then learn the hard way.

Whip him over to the paddock for practise.

I'm sure you'll know what to do.

[FROSTY:Me]

alternately, guilt him by saying that your business would get in the shit for selling a big bike to a learner [honestly, if theres not, there should be a law preventing the sale of such bikes to learner riders]

believe it or not there isn't a law stopping him from buying the bike.
The second the wheels are on public land he's breaking the law though

[MsKABC]

believe it or not there isn't a law stopping him from buying the bike.

Yeah, but does HE know that?

He's not trying to trade a 2007 Honda NSR mc21 SP is he?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...92#post1982492

[ManDownUnder]

Tough one but ultimately is the customer's choice. I'd personally tell him what you think his chances of survival are, why you're concerned but if he's adamant on taking the bigger bike he's going to do it - either from you or someone else.

So - if you can sell him that bike and still sleep at night:
1) Point him in the direction of a RRRS course and/or mentor (NOT you... for conflict of interest reasons)
2) Give him a list of safety gear and where you suggest he gets it

And anything else you think he needs to stay alive on the roads.

The fact is he will buy the bike... I'd be looking at it from the point of view that anyone else selling him one won't give a toss and he'll be in an even worse position than if you give him at least a few decent pointers.

[mikeey01]

This is a hard one Frosty...
If you don't seel him one, you know dam well he'll go else where and buy one.
If you do sell him one and he rides it on the road etc etc....

I'd sell it to him but also give him a bit of advise too, as well as the law. I'd even go as far as letting him know the way you feel.
Remember you can't hold the throttle for him, if he's gonna be an idiot he'll do it on anyones bike!

ennie - meanie - miney - mo.. does he get it - or does he go?
lol, gonna be a tough one... sell it to him man, he'll go else where anyway!
Nothing stopping him do a trademe purchase.

[MsKABC]

lol, gonna be a tough one... sell it to him man, he'll go else where anyway!
Nothing stopping him do a trademe purchase.

See now I would take the opposite view of: Let him go somewhere else! At least then it's not my problem and it's not on my conscience.

[MSTRS:Me]

Moral dilemma, for sure. Nothing illegal there, tho.
Tell him straight up what the risks and costs are, and if he's still adamant...either sell him the bike, or refuse to.
Direct him to these hallowed halls and we'll tell him not to be a cock...
Sux to be you in this sort of situation

[Hoon]

I'd sell it with the understanding that he owns it but is not legally able to ride it yet. He'd need to trailer it away or get a full licenced rider to take it home where it would be stored/ridden in a controlled environment until he gets his full.

That's the understanding anyway... the old "I'm just gonna push it home officer!" routine.

[BMWST?]

sell him the 250 and tell him to come back when he has fulfilled the requiremnts as SET OUT BY LAW and you will give him the deal of the century on another bike/gear