Police get riders at over 200 km/h

**AllanB** · 17th April 2009, 18:03

Originally Posted by jafar

Your speedo is optimistic

If you want to get 350 out of a hornet try chucking it out of an airplane @ 10,000 feet

Hmmm I may be wrong but I suspect the Terminal Velocity of the Hornet and myself (clothed in this case, as it will be very cold up there and I'd worry about shrinkage) would stop us reaching 350.

**Mikkel** · 17th April 2009, 19:28

Originally Posted by Thani-B

True. There is no way to get off a DIC charge. You get pulled up and blow over your limit, you are screwed. You may not lose your licence right then but after your court appearace you have at least 3 months (depending on age and how much over the limit you are) with no wheels.

And ironically, let's suppose a speeding ticket for 41+ km/h above the limit doesn't hold up in court - then you will already have received your punishment. Which is why road side suspension of license is not just a load of bunkum - but also a breach of our supposedly civil rights.

Alas, the general public have been fed the "speed kills" bullshit long enough that it's being eaten raw...

Originally Posted by Thani-B

And it is a criminal offense. It is there until you can apply to have it wiped (7 years I think?).

I am a little uncertain on this - but I believe that depending upon the offense it may be either 2 or 5 years. Mind, it's only stricken from you "public" criminal record (and it should happen automatically - not by application) but it will still remain on file with the police for the rest of your life. It just means that e.g. overseas immigration services and potential employers can access that information.

**Oakie** · 17th April 2009, 20:03

Originally Posted by Mikkel

Which is why road side suspension of license is not just a load of bunkum - but also a breach of our supposedly civil rights.

Seeing you mention 'civil rights', what about my civil right to use the road without idiots endangering my life by travelling at more than double the speed limit?

Originally Posted by Mikkel

Alas, the general public have been fed the "speed kills" bullshit long enough that it's being eaten raw....

I saw a rider fall off his bike at 200kph a couple of months back at Ruapuna and a few minutes later was able to pick him self up and walk (admittedly, into an ambulance) so no ... I agree that 'speed' per se does not kill ... it's the sudden stop at the end that does the damage. He was OK because of good gear ... probably some sense of how to fall ... and the fact that there were no solid objects to give him the sudden stop during his tumble. It's all semantics though. Using the 'speed doesn't kill' argument you could just as easily argue that jumping from a plane without a parachute is perfectly safe (until that very last foot of freefall).

I prefer the message 'the faster you go, the bigger the mess'. Much more accurate.

**scumdog** · 17th April 2009, 20:05

Originally Posted by jafar

I'm told that any speed over 40 km above the limit is an instant 28 day suspension of your licence + 28 days in the vehicle impound.
40k over IS a breach of the boy racer laws, thats life in helengrad

I think you actually get less for DIC than for excessive speed.

You have got something wrong.
And another thing wrong.

And maybe something else.

But well done.

**Ixion** · 17th April 2009, 20:15

Originally Posted by Oakie

Seeing you mention 'civil rights', what about my civil right to use the road without idiots endangering my life by travelling at more than double the speed limit?

..

But in what way was your life endangered? And how did they endanger your life, specifically, by travelling at 200kph instead of 100 kph ?

I have seen nothing at all so far that suggests that the guilty pair endangered anyone or anything , except themselves.

So far no one has said that another motorist has had to take evasive action. No one has reported that the Easter Bunny ran out in front of them and was squashed.

Mr Ginger Malloy has recently suffered a serious head injury. Not as a result of speeding on his motorcycle at 200kph (which he has often done), but as a result of tripping and falling down on his stairs (he fell one step!).

Clearly , stairs are very dangerous. Should I complain, the next time I hear of someone running down a flight of stairs, that he is endangering my life by doing so (even though I was not there). After all, if I *had* been there, and he had crashed into me as he reached the bottom of the stairs, I could have suffered the same fate as Mr Malloy.

My grandmother used to scold me for running with scissors, too.
I think all users of stairs and scissors should be burned also.

If I had ever proceeded at 200kph (not that I ever have of course, because I never speed, speed kills, this I know because the gubbermint tells me so), but if I hypothetically had , I am sure that no third party (not even the Easter Bunny would have been endangered. And not Mr Oakie, for whose continuing safety I have a particular solicitude

**Big Dave** · 17th April 2009, 20:17

Would you believe 350?

**Ixion** · 17th April 2009, 20:20

Originally Posted by Big Dave

Would you believe 350?

NO! Do not muddy already murky waters.

We are already having enough trouble with the premise that 200kph puts the Easter Bunny in dire peril. At 350 you'll get airborne, and the next thing we'll have complaints from Santa Claus and his reindeer.

**marty** · 17th April 2009, 20:24

Originally Posted by AllanB

Hmmm I may be wrong but I suspect the Terminal Velocity of the Hornet and myself (clothed in this case, as it will be very cold up there and I'd worry about shrinkage) would stop us reaching 350.

350km/h is pretty close to absolute terminal velocity in the lower atmosphere, given a slipstreamed shape. stable freefall is about 220km/h (12000fpm) - it would take a reasonably determined effort to get near 350km/h (around 19000fpm), although at high altitude in a low drag situation I think the free fall speed record is near 1000km/h

**_Shrek_** · 17th April 2009, 20:32

Originally Posted by klingon

*Hands the Viscount a bar of soap and a scrubbing brush*

bling

actually I think it has something to do with having a brain about the size of a canoly

**scumdog** · 17th April 2009, 20:33

Originally Posted by marty

350km/h is pretty close to absolute terminal velocity in the lower atmosphere, given a slipstreamed shape. stable freefall is about 220km/h (12000fpm) - it would take a reasonably determined effort to get near 350km/h (around 19000fpm), although at high altitude in a low drag situation I think the free fall speed record is near 1000km/h

So my Harley won't make the 300kph then?

**malfunconz** · 17th April 2009, 20:35

my trumpy wont

**doc** · 17th April 2009, 20:43

Where the ferk did 350 come from terminal velocity of a falling object is 120mph ish

**Oakie** · 17th April 2009, 20:45

Originally Posted by Ixion

But in what way was your life endangered?

Oh boy! How obtuse was I?! Ok. When I said 'my' it was a 'royal my' on behalf of all the other road users who have been on the same piece of road as those guys.