Defending yourself on your bike - the American Way

**Bob** · 17th March 2005, 03:10

This is proof that we may share the same alphabet, but we certainly don't use the words the same way...

I think the scariest bit is that this is written by a Doctor of Psychology.

**Blakamin** · 17th March 2005, 06:01

yeah...right.... how about he just buys a tank???

actually there is a thread in the Duc Monster forum all about where to keep your handgun..... :spudwhat:

and was that last line some sort of disclaimer???

**jazbug5** · 17th March 2005, 06:08

*speechless*

**pritch** · 17th March 2005, 06:10

Makes sense to me, the only bits I disagree with are that his recommended calibre/bullet weight is a bit on the light side, I would go for 180gr @ 1000fps, and it shouldn't be necessary to shoot from a moving bike.

Seems a bit radical from here, but most the guys I "talk" to in the USA carry a gun in the car or on their person if they go in to the city.

These days the expectation is that we will all be compliant victims, some people by training or philosophy do not feel so disposed. That shouldn't be too shocking, but it probably is.

**StoneChucker** · 17th March 2005, 07:03

That REALLY is scary. I guess over there it's more of an issue with people going nuts and trying to ram you. Not likely to happen here.

It would be a bastard to prove in court though, unless you had witnesses.

**jrandom** · 17th March 2005, 07:12

Bah.

I'd take my chances in a car against a bike rider trying to shoot me with a pistol, any day.

In Germany in the 1930s, the Wehrmacht infantry assigned to motorcycle sidecars needed months of training before they could shoot their mounted machine-guns effectively at foot soldiers while on the move. That's the guy in the sidecar with a pintle-mounted machine gun we're talking about, not the rider.

I'd give any normal human being about a 0.01% chance of hitting the road-raging car driver before he sees the handgun come out and goes for an instant kill for his own protection. Can anyone say 'conflict escalation'?

Not smart, but then, hey, these are Americans we're talking about, after all.

And has anybody ever tried to get their finger through the trigger guard of a handgun with heavy gloves on without randomly firing the thing into their leg? A Makarov might be OK, they had a long, funny-looking trigger guard so that users could shoot peasants without taking their winter gloves off, but anything else... forget it. I guess this website's fine, well-thought-out advice only applies to summer road rage.

**Sniper** · 17th March 2005, 07:12

Hmmmmmmmm, thats not my preferred choice of making friends with motorbikes

**Lou Girardin** · 17th March 2005, 07:35

I can just imagine a Harley rider trying to ride one-handed while trying to use a handgun. After all, they can't even wave at other bikers.

**Ixion** · 17th March 2005, 07:53

Well, there are certain taxi drivers ! Don't tempt me.

**Lias** · 17th March 2005, 09:07

When i was younger, my mates dad was the local pest baord officer and responsable for the mass shooting and pouisoning of rabbits, possums, and various other things in the region. My mate used to go out shooting with his dad quite a bit. He only ever once made the mistake of firing a 12 gauge shotgun from the back of a farmbike once :-)

Recoil's a bitch :-P

**Bob** · 17th March 2005, 10:09

Thinking about "Have you tried getting a finger in thick gloves round a trigger"... and years of watching films got me thinking...

What you'd need it a bar-mounted gun (preferably with as little recoil as possible), along with one of those "aim it where you point your eyes" systems like they have in jet fighters.

Reckon that'd do the trick.... WHAT AM I SAYING!

**Slingshot** · 17th March 2005, 12:18

Sawn-off shotgun with the stock carved into a pistol grip.

You probably won't kill the driver but it would give them a hell of a fright.

**ManDownUnder** · 17th March 2005, 12:33

So lets say the first shot is on target and you incapacitate the driver.
The vehicle goes out of control ("could go anywhere" I believe is the terminology used)...

So you then succeed at getting out of it's way and it hits...

A tree?
Innocent bystanders?
A cow?
Another car?

Would that make you liable for consequential damages?

Guns and vehicles - NOT a clever combination. Never was - never will be...

**Storm** · 17th March 2005, 12:39

Originally Posted by Slingshot

Sawn-off shotgun with the stock carved into a pistol grip.

You probably won't kill the driver but it would give them a hell of a fright.

What he said. Y'all remember Arnie in T2 with the shotgun he could reload by spinning around in his hand? Thats what I be talkin about

**pyrocam** · 17th March 2005, 12:48

The first two are my earlier models. they wernt used much but my latest model on the right is selling like hot-'lead'-cakes in the US

I use the one pictured on the right now. but I need a neck brace when Im not riding